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re: Firsts under Jurgen
Posted on 3/26/16 at 1:12 pm to pvilleguru
Posted on 3/26/16 at 1:12 pm to pvilleguru
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No we didn't. That's why there was a playoff game.
Ok, so if we won the gold cup in 2015 we get a spot in the confederations cup. We had to not lose in 2015, and then not lose the playoff, to make it to the CC in 2017. That's all I was saying.
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Posted on 3/26/16 at 1:12 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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I can get over the meaningless gold cup
But last night puts me in the we need to change things up camp.
Agree,one bad tournament is one thing, but this is something else. We have been absolute trash since we got back from Brazil
Posted on 3/26/16 at 2:35 pm to cwil177
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Seriously, the people who are downvoting posts critical of Jurgen, can you please post and tell us your reasoning for doing so?
I haven't DV'd anyone here, because I like I said, Jurgen sucks balls.
But it's crazy that I mention hating Landon Donovan, the guy who literally turned his back on the USMNT and has bad mouthed them since he thought he was bigger than the team and didn't need to play with the team before the biggest tournament in the world and get DV'd into oblivion.
It's whatever though, if there's one thing I've learned about being on this board it's that there are people who are just serial down voters and just lurk because they're fairies and nothing else. Would rather go suck Landon's balls then add something to the conversation.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 2:48 pm to McCaigBro69
How did Donovan turn his back on the team? He took a break from ALL soccer because of mental health issues. I can't fault him for that. But I'm going into a health profession so maybe my perspective is different from yours. Anyway, when he came back from that hiatus he played his arse off and showed all the devotion to that team that he ever has.
Also, you are acting as if Donovan is the only former player to criticize the coach. Lalas, Holden, Friedel, Twellman... I've seen or heard all of these guys criticize Klinsmann for one thing or another.
Also, you are acting as if Donovan is the only former player to criticize the coach. Lalas, Holden, Friedel, Twellman... I've seen or heard all of these guys criticize Klinsmann for one thing or another.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 3:29 pm to cwil177
I'm drunk at a crawfish boil. I'll type a response when I'm not on mobile. Lol.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 9:10 pm to McCaigBro69
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the guy who literally turned his back on the USMNT
Are we talking about the same guy who worked out with the U-20 world cup squad last year?
Posted on 3/26/16 at 9:58 pm to cwil177
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He took a break from ALL soccer because of mental health issues.
He took a break during qualifying. I don't mind him skipping friendlies, but he was one of our best players and he was missing important games.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 10:00 pm to Broski
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Are we talking about the same guy who worked out with the U-20 world cup squad last year?
Didn't he just help coach a bit? He does want to get into coaching.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 10:55 pm to pvilleguru
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He took a break during qualifying. I don't mind him skipping friendlies, but he was one of our best players and he was missing important games.
But it wasn't like a "frick you guys" type of thing, he was burnt out, and was just going through the motions.
He keeps that up and he doesn't have the 2013 Gold Cup that he had nor does he score against Mexico, because he probably retires before that.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:06 pm to pvilleguru
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He took a break during qualifying. I don't mind him skipping friendlies, but he was one of our best players and he was missing important games
Did it really hurt our qualifying campaign though? I don't think it helped, but we still made it to the finals. He came back rejuvenated and ready to play like the Landon we knew. I think retirement was a real possibility for him before he took that break.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 1:21 am to Broski
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it wasn't like a "frick you guys" type of thing, he was burnt out
Thank you.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 1:54 am to jackwoods4
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Where are the Jurgen supporters who lurk and downvote anti-Jurgen posts randomly? I want some of them to try and defend him. There's no reason to keep him. He's a total fraud.
They shouldn't exist. I was one of like two or three staunch supporters of Jurgen after the World Cup cut and even for a short while after. I do think the goals were both on players to an extent, every bit of football the USMNT has played since the World Cup has been absolutely awful. This is qualifying. We absolutely must make the Hex, and that's in doubt.
There aren't any excuses. When you play players out of position constantly and never have any continuity from match to match, those shite goals, weak performances, etc. are going to happen.
I do believe that we really just aren't that good in terms of players right now with the stars aging and no one really stepping up. However, that's no excuse for looking so poor when the matches really matter. I'm not sure what the answer is long-term, but it's not Jurgen as a manager.
Looking back, him in a technical director role with a new manager on board when the Bradley sacking went down would have likely worked long term. At this point, though, everything just seems like a dumpster fire to the point of me not even enjoying a team that I've been a diehard supporter of for years when we were "bad".
Sunil Gulati should take just as much responsibility if not more for this.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 7:33 am to cwil177
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Did it really hurt our qualifying campaign though?
I think he missed the first 3 games of the hex. I think we lost to Honduras, beat Costa Rica in the snow (I think we played like shite and were lucky to win), and tied Mexico. So after the first 3 games (of 10), we only had 4 of a possible 9 points.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 7:50 am to pvilleguru
There was a lot more going on in that Honduras game. That was when the article came out about Jurgen not knowing shite. Then he uncerimoniously drop the captain Boca and started Cameron and Gonzo for the first time together
Posted on 3/27/16 at 8:22 am to etm512
The team did seem to rally around that at the time, if I remember correctly. Not to say that in support of Jurgen. I'm just hoping that players step up and take control of their qualification destiny here regardless of what happens on the manager end of things.
I just want to qualify for the World Cup. As badly as I want to see some revolution at the moment, I would just be happy to see any sort of life at all moving forward. I just don't want to associate my national team with feelings of sadness anymore.
Jurgen, bro... I defended you. I believed you would try shite out after the World Cup and then "zoom in", as you fancy saying. The Gold Cup, Confederation Cup berths, World Cup qualification... These are all times when zooming in is necessary, and you've blown it so far.
Just mindblowing to go from someone defending Jurgen and some of his (admittedly silly) decision to downright feeling like we need to put him down like Lennie in Of Mice and Men. "Remember when John Brooks scored on that header? And what about Jermaine Jones? ...Do you remember that?"
I just want to qualify for the World Cup. As badly as I want to see some revolution at the moment, I would just be happy to see any sort of life at all moving forward. I just don't want to associate my national team with feelings of sadness anymore.
Jurgen, bro... I defended you. I believed you would try shite out after the World Cup and then "zoom in", as you fancy saying. The Gold Cup, Confederation Cup berths, World Cup qualification... These are all times when zooming in is necessary, and you've blown it so far.
Just mindblowing to go from someone defending Jurgen and some of his (admittedly silly) decision to downright feeling like we need to put him down like Lennie in Of Mice and Men. "Remember when John Brooks scored on that header? And what about Jermaine Jones? ...Do you remember that?"
Posted on 3/27/16 at 8:50 am to Dijkstra
Pepperidge farm remembers.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 4:15 pm to Dijkstra
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I do believe that we really just aren't that good in terms of players right now with the stars aging and no one really stepping up. However, that's no excuse for looking so poor when the matches really matter. I'm not sure what the answer is long-term, but it's not Jurgen as a manager.
Perfect summary.
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Sunil Gulati should take just as much responsibility if not more for this.
And this.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 7:58 pm to jackwoods4
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I seriously want to hear a defense for him because I don't think there is one anymore.
I think he is right by encouraging players to seek experience in foreign leagues. I think team performance proves him right.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 8:05 pm to LuckyTiger
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I do believe that we really just aren't that good in terms of players right now with the stars aging and no one really stepping up.
I think he knows are youth development is lacking and is why he encourages players to go over seas. A lot don't and think the MLS their high and settle. Do players have mentality like a lot of fans that we will never compete on an elite level with the rest of the world. So settle.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 8:17 pm to lsugorilla
I'm not defending him just trying to make an argument for him as requested.
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