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re: Fantasy soccer
Posted on 7/23/12 at 3:48 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
Posted on 7/23/12 at 3:48 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
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this is another site that has done a draft, apparently using the same fantasy website.
here is the 2012/13 version.
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Posted on 7/23/12 at 3:50 pm to GeauxColonels
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Setting up an American style fantasy league for the EPL isn't a unique idea. I know several websites that do it. Hell, on the Chris Creamer Sports Logos forums there are multiple EPL-based fantasy leagues. Those guys go all out by creating logos, uniforms and sometimes even team histories. Been trying to get into one of them this offseason with pretty much no success.
I could see the SB doing something like that easily.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 3:54 pm to WarSlamEagle
Also found this one LINK
Posted on 7/24/12 at 2:07 am to WarSlamEagle
I'm in if we get a league.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 7:30 am to KneffLSU
Posted on 7/24/12 at 10:23 am to Jumbeauxlaya
I set up the standard one for last year and will do it again this year.
I like the way it is done currently, and feel that a draft would discourage long term competition. Teams that end up with rooney, aguero, etc are going to run away with it by boxing day. Plus a draft style league wouldn't be feasible for more than 20 players. Otherwise you end up with subs in your starting lineup which isn't really fair. Not to mention all the injuries that would wreck your chances. What would happen to the team that drafted RVP if he gets sold in January? Just seems like a lot of room for problems.
The current system allows everyone to compete until deep in the season. Think about it, this year we had two players that were 100+point ahead at the end followed by 30 competitive teams, and the rest had quit playing. That is pretty exciting for a 38 week season. The cap system allows for injuries and transfer periods. I also like the pressure of having limited transfers. You have to scour the web for injury info, watch players form/value, pay attention to who each player is playing, target double game weeks, etc. It makes you feel like you can actually manage your team to a top spot with careful planning and a little luck.
That being said, I will still be doing the TD league on the EPL website. I hope that draft league works out and that yall will still participate in the standard league. If we get enough people together who want to make it interesting I am not opposed to a little wager.
I like the way it is done currently, and feel that a draft would discourage long term competition. Teams that end up with rooney, aguero, etc are going to run away with it by boxing day. Plus a draft style league wouldn't be feasible for more than 20 players. Otherwise you end up with subs in your starting lineup which isn't really fair. Not to mention all the injuries that would wreck your chances. What would happen to the team that drafted RVP if he gets sold in January? Just seems like a lot of room for problems.
The current system allows everyone to compete until deep in the season. Think about it, this year we had two players that were 100+point ahead at the end followed by 30 competitive teams, and the rest had quit playing. That is pretty exciting for a 38 week season. The cap system allows for injuries and transfer periods. I also like the pressure of having limited transfers. You have to scour the web for injury info, watch players form/value, pay attention to who each player is playing, target double game weeks, etc. It makes you feel like you can actually manage your team to a top spot with careful planning and a little luck.
That being said, I will still be doing the TD league on the EPL website. I hope that draft league works out and that yall will still participate in the standard league. If we get enough people together who want to make it interesting I am not opposed to a little wager.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 10:34 am to puffulufogous
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I like the way it is done currently, and feel that a draft would discourage long term competition. Teams that end up with rooney, aguero, etc are going to run away with it by boxing day. Plus a draft style league wouldn't be feasible for more than 20 players. Otherwise you end up with subs in your starting lineup which isn't really fair. Not to mention all the injuries that would wreck your chances. What would happen to the team that drafted RVP if he gets sold in January? Just seems like a lot of room for problems.
Just to play devils advocate here, one team wouldn't end up with rooney and Aguero. Not to mention you would just do divisions or seperate smaller leagues of about 10-15 teams per division that each do their own draft, thus limiting the chance for subs to be on a fantasy starting lineup.
That's part of the chance of drafting RVP then, if you feel there is a good chance of a player getting sold in january, take the next best player and let the next guy deal with that trouble if he thinks its worth it at that draft spot.
The reason you see 30 competitive teams is pretty much everyone will figure out shortly what the best composition for a team is and run with that nearly identical team. Ohhhh Rooney scored! 37 of the 40 teams just got a goal!
Posted on 7/24/12 at 10:56 am to Jumbeauxlaya
I'll ty my hand at it. Didn't read the whole post but will keep tabs for more info.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 11:20 am to JohnZeroQ
Here's the info from one of the Chris Creamer site fantasy leagues:
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B – DRAFTS
1 – At the beginning of each year, the WFL will hold an player draft, where players not designated to be kept by member clubs are eligible to be drafted by any club, as are any players who have just entered the Premiership. Inaugural draft order will be done via a randomizer,and will be a snake draft (ie. 1-10,10-1,1-10).All future draft orders will be determined by regular season standings from the previous year,and will be a static (ie. 1-10,1-10) draft.
2 – Should the WFL expand in future years, then there will be an Expansion Draft held before the Entry Draft. Each expansion team will have 12 draft picks. Draft order will be determined randomly, and will reverse in even-numbered rounds.
3 – The Supplemental Draft will be held first weekend after the summer transfer window closes on Aug. 31. Any players who transfer into the Premiership between the end of the Entry Draft and the closing of the transfer window may not be signed as free agents by clubs, and will be made available in the Supplemental Draft.
3.1 – The order of the Supplemental Draft will be the same as that of the Entry Draft.
3.2 – Should a club wish to make a pick in the Supplemental Draft, they will be required to release a player from their roster before making a pick.
3.3 – Once a club has passed on the opportunity to choose a player in the Supplemental Draft, they will have no more chances to make picks in the Supplemental Draft.
3.4 – The Supplemental Draft shall continue until every team has passed.
4 – Should a player leave the Premiership during the mid-season transfer window, his owner will be allotted one pick in the Mid-season Draft, to be held just after the window closes. Should more than one club lose players during the time the window is open, draft order will be determined randomly, and will reverse in even-numbered rounds. The mid-season draft will see clubs that lose players in the January window be afforded the opportunity to make selections first, the will proceed in a manner similar to the supplemental draft which will see teams make selections until the pass
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C – ROSTERS
1 – Teams will be allowed to have 12 players on their rosters at any one time:
1.1 – 2 goalkeepers.
1.2 – 10 position players (any combination of defenders, midfielders and strikers).
1.3 – Teams will be allotted two (2) additional roster spot for an injured player.
1.3.1 – Players may be placed in the Injured Reserve once they are listed on the Premier League injury table at PhysioRoom.com <LINK ;.
2 – Teams must have 12 players on rosters at all times,except during the period of roster cutdowns,and immediately after the draft.
3 – If a player leaves the Premiership during the mid-season transfer window while on the roster of an WFL team, his owner must replace him via a free agent signing
4 – Should a player transfer in to the Premiership during the midseason transfer window, that player will first be made available to teams selecting in the Midseason Draft. If he is not selected in the Midseason Draft, then he will be free to be signed by any club.
5 – At the end of the season, each owner will designate 5 players to keep for the next season: 1 goalkeeper and 4 position players (with a maximum of 2 MF and 2 F). All players not designated will go back into the player pool and be eligible to be drafted at the beginning of the next season.
6 – Owners are free to release and sign players from the player pool as they wish throughout the season. All transactions must be noted in the transactions thread, which will be stickied in the message board.
7 – Trades will be allowed between clubs over the course of the season. However, any proposed trades will be held for a period of two (2) days, during which time other owners may state their approval or disapproval of the trade. If a simple majority of the other clubs not involved in the trade disapprove, the trade will be voided and the players returned to their original rosters.
7.1 – Trades may also include draft picks for the upcoming WFL draft only
8 – A roster freeze, during which no players may be signed or released will be in effect from the end of the season until 48 hours after the completion of the Entry Draft.
8.1 – Trading will be frozen during playoffs but may continue after the season until an arbitrary deadline of on or around July 1 of each offseason
9 – Should a midseason draft be required, a roster freeze will also be in effect one (1) day before the draft, the day of the draft, and one (1) day after the draft.
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E – SCORING
1 – Goalkeepers:
1.1 – Goal: two (2) points
1.2 – Assist: one (1) point
1.3 – Saves: one (1) point for every two (2) saves
1.4 – Goal Against: minus-one (–1) point
1.5 – Win: two (2) points
1.6 – Draw: one (1) point
2 – Forwards and Midfielders:
2.1 – Goal: two (2) points
2.2 – Assist: one (1) point
3 – Defenders
3.1 — Playing 60 min or more in a match: one (1) point
3.1 — Goal: two (2) points
3.2 — Assist: one (1) point
3.3 — Clean Sheet: two (2) points
3.4 — Goal Conceded: minus-one (–1) point
4 – Scoring is done using fantasy.premierleague.com as the official stat source for the league
5 – In the event of a scheduled double round the league will take the better of the two point totals and apply that towards the players stats for the week, with a DNP always counting as the worse of the two scores
Posted on 7/24/12 at 12:02 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
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Just to play devils advocate here, one team wouldn't end up with rooney and Aguero.
wasn't implying that both players would end up on one team. was saying if you drafted later and all the stud strikers are gone, you probably don't have a great chance to win.
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Not to mention you would just do divisions or seperate smaller leagues of about 10-15 teams per division that each do their own draft, thus limiting the chance for subs to be on a fantasy starting lineup.
would these division winners face off in any way? likely the winners of each of the divisions would have similar players.
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That's part of the chance of drafting RVP then, if you feel there is a good chance of a player getting sold in january, take the next best player and let the next guy deal with that trouble if he thinks its worth it at that draft spot.
I understand that, but it would be kind of harsh to have your best player taken from you midseason with no way to adequately replace him.
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The reason you see 30 competitive teams is pretty much everyone will figure out shortly what the best composition for a team is and run with that nearly identical team. Ohhhh Rooney scored! 37 of the 40 teams just got a goal!
agree, but those transfers you make that deviate from the pack determine who wins. I think we can all agree that the EPL is pretty unpredictable from week to week. It certainly rewards taking risks, and the teams who make good transfers long term are the teams who generate more cap and usually win. For instance, the two teams that were ahead in last years competition had picked up players on the cheap that ended up being studs and in the end had pretty different teams than the pack at the end. They managed their way to the top.
In a draft, you end up with a squad that is pretty tough to alter the composition of. 38 weeks later somebody wins. It just doesn't really encourage following the games very closely. Part of what I love about fantasy soccer is that it makes me really interested in watching games that I wouldn't normally care about. I.E. I would watch a Norwich game to see how grant holt was faring, trying to find players on the cheap, seeing how I thought their style of play might fare against upcoming opponents.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 12:09 pm to puffulufogous
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In a draft, you end up with a squad that is pretty tough to alter the composition of. 38 weeks later somebody wins. It just doesn't really encourage following the games very closely.
You'll still have transfers between teams and free agents.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 12:16 pm to puffulufogous
Have you played an NFL fantasy league with a draft Puff? I feel like a lot of your misconceptions would be cleared up with a season of that.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 12:23 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
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Have you played an NFL fantasy league with a draft Puff? I feel like a lot of your misconceptions would be cleared up with a season of that.
This is a little different. The gap between the studs and the rest in terms of fantasy are way bigger in soccer than football. There are only about five or so studs and a couple other randoms who breakout.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 12:27 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
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Have you played an NFL fantasy league with a draft Puff? I feel like a lot of your misconceptions would be cleared up with a season of that.
yes. It was great for the NFL season, I just don't think that format is good for 38 weeks. Also, are you scoring head to head or table format? My stance that it wouldn't be competitive for those who selected later is based on the assumption that you are playing a table format for scoring.
I'm not trying to piss in your cheerios man, just trying to discuss the merits of each system. By all means, I want yall to give it a try and I hope it works out well.
To previous poster, I will give you free agency, but trades are going to be difficult to secure. Also, an injury or transfer of one of your premier players is still going to be devastating. How could one replace the production that RVP had last year had he been injured per usual, especially after the rest of the strikers had been picked over already.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 12:31 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
I say it every year and no one agrees, but I really think we should do seperate leagues so we can do head to head. With the comraderie on this board, rivalries would be easy to establish, trash talking would be classic, and people would want to stay involved because they'd have a poster every week to brag about beating.
Also, since there are so many people, we could split everyone up into leagues. Whoever does the worst this year ends up in division 2 next year, and whoever does well ends up in the SB premier league next year. The idea of our own relegation and promotion system would be fricking awesome and would encourage year long participation even more.
Also, since there are so many people, we could split everyone up into leagues. Whoever does the worst this year ends up in division 2 next year, and whoever does well ends up in the SB premier league next year. The idea of our own relegation and promotion system would be fricking awesome and would encourage year long participation even more.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 12:44 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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I say it every year and no one agrees, but I really think we should do seperate leagues so we can do head to head. With the comraderie on this board, rivalries would be easy to establish, trash talking would be classic, and people would want to stay involved because they'd have a poster every week to brag about beating.
I'm cool with all that. Two separate leagues with separate threads for trash talk.
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Also, since there are so many people, we could split everyone up into leagues. Whoever does the worst this year ends up in division 2 next year, and whoever does well ends up in the SB premier league next year. The idea of our own relegation and promotion system would be fricking awesome and would encourage year long participation even more.
would be very awesome. unfortunately I just tried to retrieve the final standings from last year from EPL website and they have already deleted it. Found the old thread but unfortunately I didn't list the final standings from which we could make the leagues. Several people did post what position they finished.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 12:51 pm to puffulufogous
Is be happy to be in charge of keeping track of final standings if everyone wanted to figure out a way to do a relegation/promotion system.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 12:55 pm to BleedPurpleGold
so one more year of full table. then we can put top 20 teams into TDPL, 20-40 in the TD1st division, etc. It is decided.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 1:06 pm to puffulufogous
I think the number of teams promoted should be higher than 3 for sure though, At least 5, maybe 10.
Also I agree with beast in that I like head to head matches better than sum points at the end
Also I agree with beast in that I like head to head matches better than sum points at the end
Posted on 7/24/12 at 1:07 pm to puffulufogous
Let the games begin. We tried a TD head to head league last year. I was 1 of 4 teams. I'll do it again if we get better participation. I'd participate in both formats.
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