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re: BRSA & Chris Mitchell.. What's the deal?
Posted on 3/2/11 at 9:29 am to Sheep
Posted on 3/2/11 at 9:29 am to Sheep
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I'm not a big fan of the Messicans rooting up the same fields I pay to play on either, because I'm sure their contribution to the field upkeep is somewhere between 0% and 0.0%.
why can't we all just get along and share the fields??
but seriously, this whole thing is dumb. if brsa controls the use of the fields and they tell lafayette no, why can't lafayette just go somewhere else? go play at indy, those fields are always open. i do get how it pisses Chris off that he isn't being allowed to use them, but what did he expect?? to leave brsa, form a BR based branch of another club to compete with them, and then just expect them to let him use their stuff?
on another note, where does ODP fall into this? they have a pretty big group now and I saw them out playing a couple of weekends ago.
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 9:30 am to Sheep
No idea of what the initial dispute is btw Mitchell and BRSA, but looks like BRSA has contributed over a million $ to build, upgrade and maintain these pitches. They take in $80-90 per kid each year to run the program(electricity, mowing fields, painting lines, net, etc.), plus more for all the "competitive" teams(D1, Select, Premier). Mitchell either got crossways with the Board or wanted to stack his own team, which he couldn't do within the BRSA system. So he forms his own "league", which affilaites w/LFC(no surprise there, LFC broke off of LYSA some years ago, prolly for similar reasons). Now he complains when he can't play games on fields BRSA maintains. Let him incur the expense of fields maintenence, lining, goals, nets, refs, etc. on the other pitches that BREC makes available to him.
This post was edited on 3/2/11 at 9:39 am
Posted on 3/2/11 at 9:52 am to beans
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why can't we all just get along and share the fields??
Beans, how long have you been playing on BRSA maintained fields? (serious question...)
They've gotten substantially better in the last 2-3 years.
The Mexicans (and I don't know if the Latino "La Liga" pays for the use of the fields or not) I'm talking about are the ones that play 19 v 19, in the pouring rain, because they aren't painting or roofing.
The two fields at Indy that are closest to Airline are an absolute nightmare because of that, and there's one at Burbank that isn't the greatest because of that.
Like I said... there are tons of soccer fields in BR. The ones that are being paid to maintain, SHOULD be protected/restricted.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 10:05 am to Sheep
quote:i played at indy before burbank was around, and burbank since then. i didn't play BRSA/BRSC because it was just forming back then (i played Red Star)
Beans, how long have you been playing on BRSA maintained fields?
i play coed/womens out at burbank now, and i play pickup with the mexicans out there a couple of days a week. while i think they do contribute some to the field degernation out there, i don't think you can blame it solely on them. the fields in the back looked like shite the last time i played on them (2 weeks ago) and the mexicans are never back there.
and i do agree that the fields at indy are shite, but they were shite before burbank even came around.
the why can't we all just get along thing was more of a joke, but i do think it would be a dick move if brsa tried to restrict use of those fields when they aren't using them, regardless of who is paying for them.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 10:08 am to beans
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i played at indy before burbank was around, and burbank since then. i didn't play BRSA/BRSC because it was just forming back then (i played Red Star)
Posted on 3/2/11 at 10:55 am to Sheep
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I think LFC's availability to schedule on the NICE fields that my tax dollars AND $80-90 per season (X 4 seasons per year) go to, should be directly proportional to what they're paying into the system.
If they aren't paying anything in, and want to schedule into them because they're "public," I say:
NM I just had a source closer to the argument explain it to me and it sounds dumb on Mitchell's part.
This post was edited on 3/2/11 at 11:00 am
Posted on 3/2/11 at 11:24 am to Fratastic423
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NM I just had a source closer to the argument explain it to me and it sounds dumb on Mitchell's part.
And theeeeen?
Posted on 3/2/11 at 11:53 am to Sheep
The LFC-BR faction coaches at U-High. Sometimes these HS coaches want to improve the talent pool for their HS teams.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 2:02 pm to Mung
The two Football stadium's in BR are ran by BREC. Just try to play a pickup game of Am. football on them. You will be ran off REAL quick. To jail you go. BB soccer fields are more "Game(Match)" fields. The same for Softball and Baseball fields that are ran by BREC. Some are for "games only".
Posted on 3/2/11 at 9:22 pm to Sheep
I've had a bad week and feel like being a dick. So, even though I generally agree with you, I'm going to show how shitty your argument is.
I would bet money that this is a requirement of the CEA that BRSA has with BREC in order for BRSA to use the fields. This is where the politics gets involved and the issue becomes whether BREC should give exclusive use of the fields to a single entity, namely BRSA.
Yeah. Mexicans don't pay parish sales taxes and/or parish property taxes that fund BREC. Parishes are funded solely by sales and property taxes, NOT income taxes. Here is where BREC gets its funding:
Why should people pay BRSA for the privilege of playing on BREC's fields? Once again, BRSA does not own the fields. BRSA had the land and the money to have their own private facilities on Burbank back in the late 1990s, but they chose to enter into the CEA with BREC instead.
Wrong. The LSU athletic department is self-sustaining and does not use LSU student tuition for the athletic program or facilities. And, TAF pays for any major upgrades to facilities.
Now you're just being retarded. There's a big difference between using the fields for their intended use and using them for a BMX track.
Finally as to everyone's argument that the Lafayette Futbol Club teams don't pay taxes, try reading the Advocate article again. Here are direct quotes from the article:
For background, here is the purpose and history of BREC, the owner of the fields:
Now, reconcile that with BREC's description of their soccer activities:
Finally, nothing in the article states that they want to use the fields for free. Everyone has simply be making that assumption.
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But BRSA pays into (and by pays into, I mean, probably pays the majority of the upkeep of) the system.
I would bet money that this is a requirement of the CEA that BRSA has with BREC in order for BRSA to use the fields. This is where the politics gets involved and the issue becomes whether BREC should give exclusive use of the fields to a single entity, namely BRSA.
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I'm not a big fan of the Messicans rooting up the same fields I pay to play on either, because I'm sure their contribution to the field upkeep is somewhere between 0% and 0.0%.
Yeah. Mexicans don't pay parish sales taxes and/or parish property taxes that fund BREC. Parishes are funded solely by sales and property taxes, NOT income taxes. Here is where BREC gets its funding:
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Operating Funds Money for financing land purchases, construction of facilities, maintenance, and the operation of many varied programs is obtained from taxes voted by the citizens of East Baton Rouge Parish and from income from facilities, concessions and programs. Other funds come from local governmental agencies and the Federal Government.
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A. Live in EBR, want to play on the fields that BRSA maintains? Pay BRSA for the privilege.
Why should people pay BRSA for the privilege of playing on BREC's fields? Once again, BRSA does not own the fields. BRSA had the land and the money to have their own private facilities on Burbank back in the late 1990s, but they chose to enter into the CEA with BREC instead.
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LSU students don't get to play basketball in the PMAC, even though (I'm sure) some portion of thier tuition goes to its upkeep. They can play at the rec center.
Wrong. The LSU athletic department is self-sustaining and does not use LSU student tuition for the athletic program or facilities. And, TAF pays for any major upgrades to facilities.
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I'm a taxpayer. Does that mean I can mosey over to Burbank park, and set up a BMX track on field 5?
Now you're just being retarded. There's a big difference between using the fields for their intended use and using them for a BMX track.
Finally as to everyone's argument that the Lafayette Futbol Club teams don't pay taxes, try reading the Advocate article again. Here are direct quotes from the article:
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He said he decided to start his own league in Baton Rouge, and he had to join the Lafayette League as an affiliate to be eligible to compete for “state honors.”
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“But it’s all Baton Rouge kids on these teams,” Mitchell said.
For background, here is the purpose and history of BREC, the owner of the fields:
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The Recreation and Park Commission for the Parish of East Baton Rouge was created by a State Legislative Act in 1946 as a separate and distinct body whose purpose is to develop, maintain and operate public park and recreational properties and facilities for all the people in East Baton Rouge Parish. BREC is a political subdivision of the State of Louisiana and does not operate under the City-Parish Government.
Now, reconcile that with BREC's description of their soccer activities:
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BREC works with the Baton Rouge Soccer Association to provide opportunities for everyone in the Greater Baton Rouge Area to play at their particular age and skill level. Independence Park and the BREC Burbank Soccer Complex are dedicated almost entirely to soccer matches. The BREC Burbank Soccer Complex contains 12 fields of varying sizes to accommodate youth, high school and adult soccer leagues. Independence Park contains seven fields and is available for league play and practices. Use of all soccer fields at both Independence Park and the BREC Burbank Soccer Complex is controlled by the Baton Rouge Soccer Association. BREC also maintains a host of multiple-use fields with soccer goals at several sites throughout East Baton Rouge Parish. Please note that BREC does not register children or adults for soccer programs. Registration is handled by the Baton Rouge Soccer Association. If you live in the Zachary area, another group exists in that area. Please visit the Zachary Area Soccer Association web site for more information.
Finally, nothing in the article states that they want to use the fields for free. Everyone has simply be making that assumption.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 9:39 pm to BrandNew
Love the user name.Posted on 3/2/11 at 11:19 pm to BrandNew
Posted on 3/3/11 at 7:32 am to BrandNew
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BrandNew
IobviouslyDGAF about this as much as you do.
So, to simplify my argument:
Baton Rouge has a soccer league already, soccer league approaches parks commission, says "hey... you provide the land, we'll get some money and we'll provide the maintenance, and put people in the parks. Win - win for everybody."
New guy wants to start soccer league. Why doesn't new guy approach BREC and make the same deal? There's existing goals at the corner of Tiger Bend and Antioch, some in Highland Road park (I think) and a mess of them at Howell Park. I'm sure there are others that I can't think of. Why not take some of his club member's money and pay to maintain one of those? I'm sure BREC would jump at it in a heartbeat.
I didn't see where he was offering to pay to use anything.
And I don't care if it's Lafayatte, Chelsea or God's personal rec league team that wants to use the fields, I am 100% behind BRSA or BREC keeping them off the fields that *I* (and many others) pay to maintain.
USE THE OTHER FACILITIES.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 12:16 pm to Sheep
I was just venting after a bad week and find I get into less trouble if I do that on here than IRL.
I agree with you. BREC agreed to give BRSA control of the fields in exchange for the improvements. LFC is SOL, unless BREC renegs on its agreement. And, I would keep others off the fields as much as possible if I was BRSA and paid to maintain the fields.
I agree with you. BREC agreed to give BRSA control of the fields in exchange for the improvements. LFC is SOL, unless BREC renegs on its agreement. And, I would keep others off the fields as much as possible if I was BRSA and paid to maintain the fields.
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