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re: Best thing I've read RE: Klinsmann
Posted on 11/18/16 at 3:10 am to McCaigBro69
Posted on 11/18/16 at 3:10 am to McCaigBro69
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I mean I still am fine with decision. I don't think it would have changed how far we went or a single outcome.
You don't think we have a better chance of winning the Belgium game with Donovan in instead of wondo?
Posted on 11/18/16 at 3:38 am to cwil177
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You don't think we have a better chance of winning the Belgium game with Donovan in instead of wondo
I do, but I don't think the outcome would have been different.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:25 am to McCaigBro69
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And you're exaggerating way too much.
We advanced out of a group we had no business doing so in the last World Cup without our only true striker at the time.
You gotta be shitting me. We got dominated by Ghana, Germany, and Belgium. The only game we should have won was against Portugal and we only got a draw.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:56 am to pvilleguru
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You gotta be shitting me. We got dominated by Ghana, Germany, and Belgium. The only game we should have won was against Portugal and we only got a draw.
Dude, I've watched literally all four of our games from that WC probably 10+ times.
We did get fricking dominated by Germany, only the World Champions, God forbid the best team in the world dominates us. The same thing would have happened if Jesus fricking Christ was the USMNT manager.
However, we were hardly dominated by Ghana. We scored fast as hell, then we defended, quite well I might add for the next 80 minutes or so. Ghana dominated possession because we were satisfied with sitting back and not letting them beat us with their pace. Would you have preferred we go all out attack and then try and defend a team known for their pace on the counter all match? They fed ball after ball into the box, a majority of them being terrible or easily defended. Sometimes you're defense breaks though which was exactly what happened on Ayew's goal, which was a great passage of play. To say we shouldn't have won that game though is asinine.
Same thing against Belgium in terms of how we approached it. You're an actual idiot if you thought or expected us to go out there and command that match. We weren't going to just try and attack and play wide open with a legit top five team in the world. No matter what you think, we can't do it, especially when our top goal threat is out. So we tried to defend and counter when we could and it almost worked. I mean we kept them scoreless for 90+ minutes and even had a shot to win in regulation, but Wondo.
The fact that we're honestly claiming that the WC in 2014 wasn't a good showing is fricking unbelievable.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 7:03 am to McCaigBro69
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Dude, I've watched literally all four of our games from that WC probably 10+ times.
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However, we were hardly dominated by Ghana.
There is no way you watched that game multiple times and still came to this conclusion
Posted on 11/18/16 at 7:12 am to cwil177
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There is no way you watched that game multiple times and still came to this conclusion
Sorry, but I refuse to acknowledge that a team that finishes a match with three shots on target 'dominated'.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 7:45 am to NawlinsTiger9
I still remember someone posting a thread that there was a chance that Donovan may not make the WC squad. It seemed so incomprehensible.
I stated that not taking Landon was an instant fireable offense. Only a few (like you, Sheep, Hendo, and Broski) agreed with the immediate frick Jurgen take. The soccer board was lit over the next few months.
History has shown that Jurgen is a fricking moron, but watching US Soccer is just not the same without Landon and Jurgen still being involved in the program.
I stated that not taking Landon was an instant fireable offense. Only a few (like you, Sheep, Hendo, and Broski) agreed with the immediate frick Jurgen take. The soccer board was lit over the next few months.
History has shown that Jurgen is a fricking moron, but watching US Soccer is just not the same without Landon and Jurgen still being involved in the program.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 7:48 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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History has shown that Jurgen is a fricking moron, but watching US Soccer is just not the same without Landon and Jurgen still being involved in the program.
You pretty much hit it on the head. I am not a Landon fan, but we definitely miss his presence and poise out there. He was one of those guys that the moment never seemed too big for.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 8:02 am to McCaigBro69
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Dude, I've watched literally all four of our games from that WC probably 10+ times.
So you've seen us get dominated 30+ times. Congrats.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 8:03 am to McCaigBro69
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To say we shouldn't have won that game though is asinine
It's a stretch to even say we deserved a draw. We sure as hell didn't deserve to win.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 8:08 am to pvilleguru
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It's a stretch to even say we deserved a draw. We sure as hell didn't deserve to win.
But we did.
Greece won the 2004 Euros and anyone who watched the matches would say the same thing. But guess what, they won the bitch. Doesn't matter how you do it, but if you win, you win. No contesting it or saying you shouldn't have won later on can take away from it.
Jesus, have any of you people ever actually sat back and been happy about any US soccer game, ever?
Posted on 11/18/16 at 8:34 am to McCaigBro69
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Jesus, have any of you people ever actually sat back and been happy about any US soccer game, ever?
Absolutely, but it's been rare since Jurgen has been in charge. I was ecstatic that we beat Ghana, but I was not happy with how we played. At all. I was very happy with how we played against Portugal, outside of the last 5 minutes. I can be happy with a loss, if I think we played well. I can't say that about our games against Ghana and Belgium (didn't Howard have to make about 16 saves?)
Posted on 11/18/16 at 8:36 am to pvilleguru
I didn't expect us to beat Germany, but our performance against them was pathetic and embarrassing.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 8:43 am to pvilleguru
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didn't Howard have to make about 16 saves?)
I think he broke a record lol.
I can definitely see where you're coming from.
I don't want to get any more off topic than this thread already is, but I was just making a point to someone's post who said they couldn't think of one tournament that we had done well in.
Call me completely crazy or whatever, but I find it very difficult to believe that someone can really say that the WC in 2014 was a failure based off of our results.
Obviously I think we all wished we could have played better and hung with Germany and Belgium in regards to possession and attack, but IMO, I think that's farfetched and not something that that's even remotely attainable in the current day no matter who was managing the team.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 8:50 am to McCaigBro69
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Call me completely crazy or whatever, but I find it very difficult to believe that someone can really say that the WC in 2014 was a failure based off of our results.
I think the results were acceptable, but I think we played like shite.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 9:48 am to pvilleguru
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I think the results were acceptable, but I think we played like shite.
Exactly. And then when you play like shite, tournaments like the last Gold Cup and then results like these latest 2 will rear their ugly head sooner rather than later
Posted on 11/18/16 at 2:35 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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History has shown that Jurgen is a fricking moron, but watching US Soccer is just not the same without Landon and Jurgen still being involved in the program.
It's still amazing to me how many people were ok with that decision and justified it in various ways. He's fat and out of shape. Well he finished third on the team in the pacer test, behind only Bradley and Beckerman. He quit on the team. Well, he got burnt out and took a mental health break, and later became a rare athlete who advocated for mental health awareness at a time when millions of Americans are struggling with a silent disease that often goes untreated and which has a huge stigma attached to it. He's out of form. Well he was player of the tournament in the gold cup the year before. He's a locker room cancer. Well he's incredibly respected by the players, actually, and is a leader on the pitch.
The sad fact of the matter is that Donovan could have been a starter at four positions for us from the start of that tournament. We traded the best player in our nation's history for a charlatan, and it's a decision that still rubs me wrong to this day.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 5:08 pm to McCaigBro69
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I do, but I don't think the outcome would have been different.
I'll say this to you again since it was the last post on the first page:
This is a dumb line of thinking... Who cares how far we would've/could've gone with LD as opposed to w/o, the fact that he left him off showed either extreme pettiness and/or a severe lack of talent scouting.
Two things you absolutely do not want in a manager.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 5:15 pm to cwil177
Landon not being selected is the only sporting decision that will haunt me forever. I just will never understand it.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 5:26 pm to McCaigBro69
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I am not a Landon fan
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