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re: Arsenal 2015/2016 Season Long Thread

Posted on 8/24/15 at 4:02 pm to
Posted by Stewie Griffin
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 4:02 pm to
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Maybe drop Santi, but he combines so well with everyone. We need a player who is like Santi and Coq combined, and there are not that many of those types of players in the world.



This whole Santi-Coq thing is exactly why we should've bought Schneiderlin and why I'm pissed we didn't meet the price.

Santi has to play with Coq, and vice versa. Schneiderlin can do both players' role -- destroy and distribute -- and free up a spot for Ox.


This post was edited on 8/24/15 at 4:02 pm
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 4:26 pm to
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This whole Santi-Coq thing is exactly why we should've bought Schneiderlin and why I'm pissed we didn't meet the price.


Dude wasn't worth paying the same wages as Alexis and Ozil.

I say just deal with growing pains of Coq/Ramsey and bring on the Ox.

Coq or Cech were MOTM for me today

Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
8184 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 4:31 pm to
I said it in preseason, I said it last year, and I'm screaming it now. frickING PLAY RAMSEY OVER CAZORLA! Ramsey/Ozil/Giroud have the best chemistry in the team when Ramsey plays that role, plus it frees up a spot for Ox.

Cazorla has too many non-impact games, when Ramsey has a bad game at least he's going forward, he's pressing and pushing the issue. fricking grow a pair and make the change Arsene.

This lineup has now scored two goals in the last six EPL games it's been trotted out, something needs to change
Posted by Stewie Griffin
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 4:36 pm to
I mean, Cazorla did play the perfect ball through to Ramsey for what should've been the goal.

I don't disagree with the sentiment that Ox starting and sacrificing Santi would be better for us. It might be. It puts a lot of distributive burden on Coq (who, to his credit, has been much better there this year) and Ramsey, who can be erratic and is better at driving forward and linking up in the final third than recycling possession.

Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 4:37 pm to
The only worry with Ramsey there is that how often he misplaces passes, but now that Santi is doing it as well you might as well make the change.
Posted by tsmi136
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 4:38 pm to
Great game gooners. I enjoy the football ya'll play. Unlucky with Ramsey but I thought it was well played
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
8184 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 4:39 pm to
We should also consider playing Arteta over Coq in certain games. Our most dominant string of performances in the past 4 years have come with an Ozil/Ramsey/Arteta/ midfield with Giroud up front. And then they got hurt and we found other things that kind of worked but not as well. Now they're all healthy and we're struggling, it's time to go back to that
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 4:42 pm to
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Our most dominant string of performances in the past 4 years have come with an Ozil/Ramsey/Arteta/ midfield with Giroud up front.


Disagree. This lineup went on last year produced the best 2nd half in the league.

It just seems to me we have become predictable with this lineup. No width and no one to drive at players
Posted by Jabroni
USA
Member since Jan 2013
673 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 4:43 pm to
The recent inability to score at the Emirates is pretty worrying.
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 4:44 pm to
One game we started Theo up top during that run we scored 4 goals
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
8184 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 4:45 pm to
And the other lineup produced the best first half two years ago. Two years ago was much more dominant as well, larger scorelines, better control of games.

Last years success was a little deceptive, we had a lot of wins where we were not clearly the better team. Giroud was scoring a lot off corners and set pieces.

I do agree that regardless something needs to be shake up. There's very little athleticism in this lineup
Posted by Jabroni
USA
Member since Jan 2013
673 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 4:50 pm to
The Theo/Giroud question up top isn't going to get any easier unless one really goes on a fantastic run. I do think it's a waste to have Theo sit on the bench as much as he does though.
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 4:53 pm to
I just don't like the way he is being used. Bringing him on once teams have started to park the bus, just doesn't make sense to me (especially when we don't have any dribblers on).

I'm now more in the we need to make a new signing group than I was in the past. This team just seems to need some life added to it if anything.
Posted by Stewie Griffin
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2005
16148 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 4:56 pm to
Yeah Theo is only effective up top when teams are pushed up early. Otherwise he has to be on a wing to be truly effective.

We have options. I do hope Wenger uses them, though the risk of tinkering is high.
Posted by Jabroni
USA
Member since Jan 2013
673 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 4:57 pm to
I definitely think a signing or two is needed if they are serious about challenging for the title. Grzegorz Krychowiak is being thrown around but I can't say I watch enough La Liga to be informed about his quality.

As to strikers there aren't really any available options that are an obvious upgrade over Theo and GIroud. It looks like they really tried for Benzema but there was no way Real were ever selling.
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 5:07 pm to
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Grzegorz Krychowiak is being thrown around but I can't say I watch enough La Liga to be informed about his quality.


Just from reading about him from other people it sounds like he sort of in the same mold as Coquelin.

I agree with Tim Stillman though that I feel like we need to find someone more in the mold of Arteta to bring the best out of Ramsey in the middle.
Posted by glassman
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 5:21 pm to
Cech was man of the match in the first half and Mignolet was the same in the second. Fairly contested result between two talented teams. With Kos and Per, Pool probably doesn't have the first half chances, but life is what it is. Great match, and a fair result.
Posted by Jabroni
USA
Member since Jan 2013
673 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 5:22 pm to
The Ramsey/Wilshere pairing has been dreadful in the past but I have to wonder if that's the future. When they're both at the top of their game it's impossible to leave them both off but one always gets shoehorned out of position.
Posted by bamaphan13
Member since Jan 2011
992 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 5:39 pm to
I don't think Wilshere will ever stay healthy long enough to be considered a mainstay in the lineup for the future.

Blows my mind we don't use our depth to rotate more or bring subs on before the 70th minute.
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
16832 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 5:04 am to
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you do know real has to sell him right?


Wow dgx, I didn't know that. I figured real was just going to give him to us.

And while Real would have probably acquired someone else, they do have this fella named Ronaldo who can play a little striker.

We apparently made an effort, and it didn't work out. All I said was "Benzema would be nice." I still feel that way and did not lay odds on it happening, but there was apparently some substance to the rumours, from our side, at least.

Yes, I'm aware that Giroud is pretty much all we have at 9. Doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.

And it's great that RVP and Thierry developed into clinical strikers when they did not start off as such. Had they not, we would have been in need of a strong finisher at nine then, just like we are now.

I know it sounds simplistic to blame our woes at nine for our frustrating lack of scoring this season. Our buildup, even in relatively open games like pool was, while pretty at times, is getting predictable.

Welbz couldn't finish up top and Grioud, though he battles and scores some beautiful goals at times, is not the sniper we need at center-forward if we are going to win the league and go deep in CL.

And it's frustrating that Arsene just does not seem to be able to succeed as "mad scientist" these days when he has a deeper roster. As someone said earlier, I'd like to see our subs used more purposefully and earlier than token and desperation appearances at the 80th minute.
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