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re: Arsenal 2013/2014 Season Long Thread

Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:09 pm to
Posted by cwil177
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:09 pm to
Wenger stumped by Arsenal's failure to turn up in big games
I'm pretty sure his tactics, specifically the high line, are the reason for our "failure to turn up." Bayern was certainly a big game but we played just fine, all things considered.

ETA:
This is a pattern, not an outlier.
This post was edited on 3/25/14 at 12:56 am
Posted by FirstRoundPick
Member since Jan 2013
181 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:19 pm to
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This is stupid. AOC thought it was a clear goal scoring opportunity or he wouldn't have tried to become a keeper.


This is exactly the grey area for me. His action did not in any way stop a clear goal-scoring opportunity because the ball was clearly going wide, which is why the FA accepted Arsenal's appeal and did not impose a suspension on The Ox.

However, Ox could not have known that the ball was going wide, so he clearly acted in a way to prevent a goal from being scored. In his mind, the ball was going in.

My opinion is that the FA is just so embarrassed by what happened with this red card fiasco that they just want to sweep it under the rug and move on.

Personally, I'm beyond excited that both are now able to play against Swansea tomorrow! We desperately need the 3 points and having two of our current first choice available back in the squad is a massive boost.
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:33 pm to
after his performance id like ox to stay on the bench. But he is def needed in case we need to sub.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30831 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 1:50 pm to
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This is stupid. AOC thought it was a clear goal scoring opportunity or he wouldn't have tried to become a keeper.


It's kind of like if you cleary tried to injure an opponent but escaped penalty because the opponent didn't get injured.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:21 pm to
it's the right decision. clear goal scoring opportunity is what it is, not what a player thinks it is.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:23 pm to
lol nope
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 2:25 pm to
yeah, just said the same thing on twitter.

the fact we've lined up like that and gotten hammered by 3 rivals on the road is already a pretty big indication he doesn't recognize the problem. his words only pile on the pressure.

i thought he learned his lesson when he came out with the arteta-flamini axis against 'pool in our FA Cup meeting. unfortunately, until Rambo is back fully healthy, that pairing is probably our best bet from a defensive shape standpoint.
Posted by Stewie Griffin
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 3:50 pm to
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after his performance id like ox to stay on the bench. But he is def needed in case we need to sub.



Man, was he awful.

I'm going to pretend that game never happened.

Goals remain the same. Finish top three/four, win FA Cup, have big spending summer on quality talent.

Must upgrade Giroud, Arteta, replace Baccy/TV5, add depth.

Also, hire new training staff and/or invest in bubbles.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
9963 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:10 pm to
i think per and arteta are pretty similar in that, when in the right scheme, they are both excellent players. if they aren't put in a situation to succeed though, things can get quite ugly. personally, considering where i'd like to see this team go, i think we need to upgrade both.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
9963 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:21 pm to
chuks aneke has been killing it at Crewe Alexandra btw. 16 goals. their next leading scorer has 4

don't think he'll ever make it at arsenal, but clearly the kid will make a comfortable living playing soccer.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30831 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:28 pm to
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lol nope


I know it's not the exact same because it's not an act malice but it's the same principle.

I'm fine with them rescinding the punishment ftr, but in game the correct call was made. Mistaken identity aside of course.
This post was edited on 3/24/14 at 4:30 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:32 pm to
quote:

the fact we've lined up like that and gotten hammered by 3 rivals on the road is already a pretty big indication he doesn't recognize the problem. his words only pile on the pressure.


It's hard for a manager at the top level to adjust. The first game against Man City you can write off as an outlier. Koscielny gets hurt and we give up four goals in the second half. The second game against 'Pool we get destroyed on two set pieces and move up the pitch to get those goals back, and then are destroyed the rest of the game by the fact we pushed up. The third game I still haven't seen, so I can't comment on it.

My point here is that from Wenger's point of view, it's not a crisis, it's bad luck. The rest of us see that playing Mertesacker and Arteta in a system where their lack of pace are exposed will result in a thorough defeat. Both are excellent players, but they require a system that doesn't require a vast amount of mobility. Hopefully the Chelsea game is a turning point where Wenger sees the reality of this team, where we need to compensate for Arteta's mobility by moving him further up the pitch and playing Flamini between he and Mertesacker. In big games Arteta has to be sacrificied, because the deep line we play is supremely hard to break down.

If we think about formations moving up and down the pitch, there are four basic phases. Their is the offensive phase, where team that has possession moves the ball in front of the opposing team, the defensive phase, where now the opposing team has the ball, and the transitions from both the offensive phase to the defensive phase, and the defensive phase to the offensive phase.

In my view, we are a great team in the defending phase, where we are set deep in our block with players behind the ball. We rarely give up goals from this position.

In the offensive phase we are the best we've ever been. We've broken down more teams with ten and eleven behind the ball than ever before.

In the transition from defensive to offensive, we are excellent as well, as we can counter attack at pace, especially with Theo.

It's the offensive to defensive transition where we've struggled ever since moving away from 2 strikers. It's been a long term problem, made more apparent by the fact that nearly all the top teams employ similar systems, or have the ability employ similar systems, and all are extremely adept at the defensive to offensive transition.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:34 pm to
quote:

personally, considering where i'd like to see this team go, i think we need to upgrade both.


Absolutely. Both were stop-gap players. Let's not forget that. They are great players. Arteta is one of the most underrated players of his generation. But we shouldn't build a team around them, since their faults are so glaring.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:35 pm to
quote:


It's hard for a manager at the top level to adjust.



It's really not. Wenger just isn't as great as you wish him to be.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
9963 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 4:57 pm to
i don't think it's the same principal. though legal/factual impossibility always confused me in law school the possibility of the intent being successful when acting upon it is a pretty big difference.

i don't mind the red card because that was such a close call, there's no way he could have called that in real time. i'm glad there's no suspension though because as razor thin as the call was, it wasn't an obvious goal scoring opportunity.

Posted by glassman
Next to the beer taps at Finn's
Member since Oct 2008
116107 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 5:09 pm to
Just glad they can both play tomorrow. Our depth is bad enough right now, without those two...

Ouch..
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
9963 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 7:31 pm to
kos out at least two weeks.

I'd go with the same XI I suggested for Chelsea, gnabry, sanogo and ox with arteta and flamini centrally.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30831 posts
Posted on 3/24/14 at 8:26 pm to
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i don't mind the red card because that was such a close call, there's no way he could have called that in real time. i'm glad there's no suspension though because as razor thin as the call was, it wasn't an obvious goal scoring opportunity.



Fair enough and I agree with no suspension. Hope your boys come out ready for redemption Saturday.



Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
28429 posts
Posted on 3/25/14 at 12:25 am to
Ramsey highlights
Yeah, if he could hurry the frick up and get healthy again, that would be great.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
9963 posts
Posted on 3/25/14 at 2:18 pm to
same squad except tv5 for kos and flamini for poldi. really think we should have rotated more (gnabry and sanogo for instance) but maybe AW will Saturday. hope it's not the same old shite of running players in the ground, particularly rosicky. he doesn't need to start 3 games in a week.
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