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Posted on 6/26/14 at 9:39 am to Pettifogger
I'm confused, you attempt to describe the "typical US soccer fan" but then say:
You are not making any sense.
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That may not rise to the level of support you guys consider to be a "fan,"
You are not making any sense.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 9:40 am to ell_13
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I just don't see how "mainstream" can be used when talking about maybe one-tenth of the population.
You could say that about any sport, even football. That's why it's such a stupid description.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 9:43 am to Broski
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I'm confused, you attempt to describe the "typical US soccer fan" but then say:
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That may not rise to the level of support you guys consider to be a "fan,"
You are not making any sense.
I'm saying that is what I'd call the typical soccer fan. I'm also saying you guys, as pretty devout soccer people, may question whether those people even rise to the level of being fans.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 9:44 am to mizzoukills
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I've held off on writing about soccer for a decade -- or about the length of the average soccer game
And yet I bet she loves baseball
Posted on 6/26/14 at 9:46 am to Pettifogger
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I'm saying that is what I'd call the typical soccer fan. I'm also saying you guys, as pretty devout soccer people, may question whether those people even rise to the level of being fans.
You are separating factions for the sake of separating as if soccer fanbases operating differently from other sports fanbases.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 9:48 am to Broski
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You are separating factions for the sake of separating as if soccer fanbases operating differently from other sports fanbases.
I think most football and baseball fans don't really care about your devotion to the game. Soccer fans are more guarded about fandom, which is natural considering it isn't that popular and they're used to being unique.
Go on other boards here, and you will rarely hear anyone say "I bet you've only watched like 2 matches this year." That shite is pretty common on this board, but it'll change as more people adopt soccer.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 9:52 am to Pettifogger
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Go on other boards here, and you will rarely hear anyone say "I bet you've only watched like 2 matches this year." That shite is pretty common on this board, but it'll change as more people adopt soccer.
No it's not.
What's common was, before the soccer board was created, when every legitimate soccer thread was started on the MSB or OT, many people who don't give two shits about soccer would make a "gay", "not a sport", "grass fairy" post and it immediately turns into a flame war.
No one does that shite for NASCAR, volleyball, olympics, etc.
I'm sorry, but the soccer fans on this board aren't the ones that have created the perception.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 9:56 am to Broski
People who go to pubs to watch matches at odd hours and look disdainfully at incoherent trolls like ann coulter are just people who played the sport their entire childhoods and decided to keep following it after they quit, just like people do for other sports. And I assume you don't know many soccer fans, bc I know plenty of soccer fans who come from well-off white American families and, at the risk of stooping to your level and bragging about childhood coolness, were and are doing fine in terms of social standing
Posted on 6/26/14 at 9:57 am to TxTiger82
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I meant that soccer in ingrained in the daily lives of the typical American. That is more true than it is for football or basketball.
No, it's not.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 10:03 am to Broski
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I'm sorry, but the soccer fans on this board aren't the ones that have created the perception.
I'm sure that is fair. It is chicken-egg. I'm sure it started predominantly with the soccer haters, but the soccer lovers have gained momentum as more people have moved to their side.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 10:03 am to tigerfan88
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People who go to pubs to watch matches at odd hours and look disdainfully at incoherent trolls like ann coulter are just people who played the sport their entire childhoods and decided to keep following it after they quit, just like people do for other sports. And I assume you don't know many soccer fans, bc I know plenty of soccer fans who come from well-off white American families and, at the risk of stooping to your level and bragging about childhood coolness, were and are doing fine in terms of social standing
No
Posted on 6/26/14 at 10:18 am to mizzoukills
I like Ann Coulter, and generally agree with what she writes. Often not to the same degree, but general agreement nonetheless. That article, however, misses a ton of points.
1. There's a difference between world cup soccer, and regular soccer. I don't get into soccer on an annual basis. I don't get into track and field, or curling on an annual basis. Every four years though, when a team playing that sport is representing us against the rest of the world, it's as exciting, emotionally charged, and attention worthy of a sporting even as I've ever watched.
2. The fact that the WORLD likely sees soccer as the most important sport played is reason enough to get emotionally invested in this sport come world cup time.
3. As for her assessment that the sport lacks individually talented players, that's just patently bullshite. There's a reason all NFL/College kickers kick the ball "soccer style". It's because folks that play soccer at high levels can launch kickable objects with their feet more precisely and further than those that play any other sport. Kicking a soccer ball, and making it spin, dip, dive, or curve is, IMO, an art that's very similar to the art and craft that pitchers apply to baseballs.
After the world cup is over, I probably won't watch a bunch of soccer for 4 more years. I'm an American College Football fan. That's what gets me going. I can still recognize though that soccer is "the" world game, has incredibly talented players, and requires a ton of skill to play it at the highest level. I certainly wouldn't write an article putting down a game that, for some reason, the entire world views as attention worthy.
1. There's a difference between world cup soccer, and regular soccer. I don't get into soccer on an annual basis. I don't get into track and field, or curling on an annual basis. Every four years though, when a team playing that sport is representing us against the rest of the world, it's as exciting, emotionally charged, and attention worthy of a sporting even as I've ever watched.
2. The fact that the WORLD likely sees soccer as the most important sport played is reason enough to get emotionally invested in this sport come world cup time.
3. As for her assessment that the sport lacks individually talented players, that's just patently bullshite. There's a reason all NFL/College kickers kick the ball "soccer style". It's because folks that play soccer at high levels can launch kickable objects with their feet more precisely and further than those that play any other sport. Kicking a soccer ball, and making it spin, dip, dive, or curve is, IMO, an art that's very similar to the art and craft that pitchers apply to baseballs.
After the world cup is over, I probably won't watch a bunch of soccer for 4 more years. I'm an American College Football fan. That's what gets me going. I can still recognize though that soccer is "the" world game, has incredibly talented players, and requires a ton of skill to play it at the highest level. I certainly wouldn't write an article putting down a game that, for some reason, the entire world views as attention worthy.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 10:31 am to mizzoukills
I don't have any idea who Ann Coulter is but after reading the first few lines of this I think she must be Adam Sandler's mom from The Waterboy.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 10:33 am to mizzoukills
frick Ann Coulter
Posted on 6/26/14 at 10:53 am to ell_13
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I just don't see how "mainstream" can be used when talking about maybe one-tenth of the population.
Its the most played sport in America...
The Portugal Game had as many people watching as the BCS national Championship in the States
FIFA is the second highest sold sporting game in north america
If that doesn't define something as main stream than im not really sure what is. People play, watch it when its a good match up on prime time, play the video game.
But to the actual point:
Ann Coulter is a talentless hack. She is trying to hate on something based solely on this thought: "the world likes it more than america so it can't be good"
I'm not very liberal nor am i very conservative but i don't know if i have ever agreed with anything she has said.
She is like Beck/Limbaugh/Maher but without a functioning brain to make a legitimate point.
In this article, she makes false points to the No-MVP. Makes sexist points that no girls should play sports with guys ever even prior to puberty when they could all compete. Quotes misleading statistics like # of Viewers that watched in US (she quotes the 18.2 million espn viewers but that doesnt include the 6 or so million univision or the 2 or so million that watched on watch espn).
then she drops the anti-immigration xenophobic part at the end.
She is obviously writing to an old conservative/tea party/white/racist/ "THEY TOOK OUR JOBS"/ "WE SPEAK AMERICAN" base who already hates soccer/ immigrants/ anything foriegn/ change of any sort/ etc...
Posted on 6/26/14 at 10:56 am to petar
quote:In terms of games played? Number of participants? What? Is it the most watched?
Its the most played sport in America...
quote:I already said that the USMNT in the WC is mainstream. Read the thread, plz.
The Portugal Game had as many people watching as the BCS national Championship in the States
quote:North american includes many other countries which, of course, have large soccer followings.
FIFA is the second highest sold sporting game in north america
quote:It doesn't.
If that doesn't define something as main stream than im not really sure what is
Posted on 6/26/14 at 11:10 am to Broski
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No one does that shite for NASCAR,
Yes the do
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volleyball,
There have been volleyball threads? Also, volleyball isn't for figs.
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olympics, etc.
"Olympics" isn't a sport.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 11:11 am to mizzoukills
I don't like soccer and even I think the points she's attempting to make are dumb.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 11:16 am to Drew Orleans
Drew Orleans
Why are you attacking me? I didn't make Ann Couter's comments.
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Stick to what you know you miserable count.
Why are you attacking me? I didn't make Ann Couter's comments.
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