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Your new race riot in the wings. Cleveland
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:18 am
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:18 am
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Again, if you want to blame someone, blame the parents. Maybe they shouldn't let their 12 year old bring a fake gun with no identifying marks of it being fake, to a playground.
But i'm sure the race baiters will be out calling for riots because on the face of the issue, it looks bad. But the details appear to be justified, despite how horrible the outcome was.
Think of it this way, would you want the police called if a kid had a gun at a playground?
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Tamir Rice died at a hospital after being shot Saturday by an officer who had responded to a call about someone with a gun at a Cleveland playground. Police say Tamir was told to raise his hands but instead reached into his waistband for what appeared to be a firearm. Police later determined it was an airsoft gun, which shoots small plastic pellets, that did not have an orange safety indicator at the end of the barrel.
Again, if you want to blame someone, blame the parents. Maybe they shouldn't let their 12 year old bring a fake gun with no identifying marks of it being fake, to a playground.
But i'm sure the race baiters will be out calling for riots because on the face of the issue, it looks bad. But the details appear to be justified, despite how horrible the outcome was.
Think of it this way, would you want the police called if a kid had a gun at a playground?
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:24 am to BugAC
The details in Ferguson didn't make much of a difference either.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:44 am to BugAC
Meh,
The airsoft gun thing will limit the ability of the racebaiters, despite how dumb/ignorant people are.
The airsoft gun thing will limit the ability of the racebaiters, despite how dumb/ignorant people are.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 11:50 am to BugAC
The root cause of this is that cops aren't smart people. If cops were smart, they would be able to handle these kids.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:02 pm to arcalades
It's a thankless job.
If a policeman guesses wrong and shoots someone when he didn't need to, then we have a) the tragedy of an unnecessary death, and b) the potential for all Hell to break loose.
If the policeman guesses wrong, doesn't shoot, and he is killed, then we have that tragedy. Very few people will care, though, or maybe even hear about this kind of tragedy.
It's a tough job, and a thankless job. There is NO WAY I would ever take a job as a policeman, especially in a community with a large minority population. Guess wrong one time, and you're either dead or Public Enemy #1.
PS - Darren Wilson apparently didn't even do anything wrong, and he still became Public Enemy #1.
If a policeman guesses wrong and shoots someone when he didn't need to, then we have a) the tragedy of an unnecessary death, and b) the potential for all Hell to break loose.
If the policeman guesses wrong, doesn't shoot, and he is killed, then we have that tragedy. Very few people will care, though, or maybe even hear about this kind of tragedy.
It's a tough job, and a thankless job. There is NO WAY I would ever take a job as a policeman, especially in a community with a large minority population. Guess wrong one time, and you're either dead or Public Enemy #1.
PS - Darren Wilson apparently didn't even do anything wrong, and he still became Public Enemy #1.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:15 pm to arcalades
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The root cause of this is that cops aren't smart people. If cops were smart, they would be able to handle these kids.
Really? Tell me more.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:21 pm to arcalades
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The root cause of this is that cops aren't smart people. If cops were smart, they would be able to handle these kids.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:26 pm to KCT
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It's a tough job, and a thankless job.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 12:40 pm to BugAC
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But the details appear to be justified, despite how horrible the outcome was.
I'll accept the shooting as justified based on how police are trained and their current protocols. The officers are certainly covered.
But I think those protocols are immensely flawed. I guess I consider it analogous to our terrorism policies. We always set policy based on the lowest common denominator without regard to everyone else. I know police policies are crafted with personal safety in mind...but it's not always them that needs to be protected.
A 12 year old kid running around with a gun on the playground. 99% of the time, common sense will tell you that this is a child playing with a toy gun, but there are child murderers, and protocol is based on that 1% occurence.
100000 arabs get on an airplane in full garb. 99999 of them just want to get to their destination, but we set policy based on the 1.
There just has to be a better way to handle the situation other than shoot first, ask questions later. Could the police have taken cover while drawing down on the kid to guage his reaction? Could they have addressed him from a safer distance? Could they have let him verbally respond before firing? I honestly don't know, it just seems there has to be alternatives to current protocols associated with increased militarization. And that's all the way from patrolmen to SWAT teams. Is "no-knock" & flashbangs really the best policy you can come up with for potential narcotics raids?
This could just be me watching too much TV, but doesn't our military employ "do not fire until fired upon" ROE in certain situations? Yet we can't do that with our own citizens?
I know I spent alot of running around with toy guns when I was a kid, and a situation like this would have never even been a remote possibility. What has changed?
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:10 pm to MSMHater
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MSMHater
Thank you for this.
And for other examples of police incidents that are worth making hay over:
Columbia, SC, state trooper gas station shooting in September
Eric Garner killed by NYPD in July
I think we can all agree that we have turned over way too much power to the law.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:32 pm to BugAC
Unarmed*
* Not really
* Not really
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:35 pm to arcalades
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The root cause of this is that cops aren't smart people. If cops were smart, they would be able to handle these kids.
Go stand in front of a total stranger and let them pull a gun on you. I'm guessing at best you'll have about 2-3 seconds tops to decide if that gun is real or not. Let's see how you'd handle the situation.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:39 pm to Patrick_Bateman
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Unarmed* * Not really
Lololol
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:43 pm to Darth_Vader
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But I think those protocols are immensely flawed. I guess I consider it analogous to our terrorism policies. We always set policy based on the lowest common denominator without regard to everyone else. I know police policies are crafted with personal safety in mind...but it's not always them that needs to be protected.
Could not have said it better.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:43 pm to MSMHater
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I'll accept the shooting as justified based on how police are trained and their current protocols. The officers are certainly covered.
But I think those protocols are immensely flawed.
Totally agree. Cops are cleared in shootings based on training and policy all the time, it's the protocol in the field that we need to look at and change some of those policies.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
3rded or 4thed or whatever
Posted on 11/26/14 at 1:54 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I think we can all agree that we have turned over way too much power to the law.
Agreed, but why does it always end up a race issue? Right after the Ferguson incident, you could have convinced me on the cop overreach or cop ego angle.
Once you mention race as the motivator, it just destroys the legitimacy of the argument. Despite racism existing, I doubt you can find many cops willing to shoot and kill someone solely because he is black.
Society doesn't understand that just because someone may be 'pro- white' or 'pro-black' doesn't mean they hate the other race enough to needlessly kill someone? Hell, I know a few people that would be considered racist but none of them want to kill a person because of their race.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 2:05 pm to BugAC
quote:Yeah. Blame the parents for allowing their child to use a toy. We shouldn't blame the company for manufacturing a toy that looks realistic with no identifying marks.
Again, if you want to blame someone, blame the parents. Maybe they shouldn't let their 12 year old bring a fake gun with no identifying marks of it being fake, to a playground.
Thought this country was about 2nd amendment. Why shouldn't a citizen be able to carry a gun in public without being shot. Yet, it never seems to happen to white males carrying rifles into Chili's.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 2:08 pm to BuckyBadger
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We shouldn't blame the company for manufacturing a toy that looks realistic with no identifying marks.
It was manufactured according to regulations, with a red ring on the end of the barrel to identify it as a toy.
Unfortunately, the boy took the red ring off.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 2:13 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:This one was fricking appalling.
Columbia, SC, state trooper gas station shooting in September
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