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Wow, didn't know the 9th circuit has an 80% reversal rate at the Supreme Court

Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:21 am
Posted by Contra
Member since Oct 2016
7521 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:21 am
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I've heard the last few days that they are bad, but I didn't realize they were that bad. That is insane. How are they taken seriously?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:22 am to
Solid thread.
10/10
Posted by FalseProphet
Mecca
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:23 am to
Again, so no other people are confused, it varies year to year and it only involves cases that the SCOTUS actually takes. The SCOTUS takes less than 1% of the cases that come out of the 9th circuit each year, and even then, they are usually only taking them because they want to reverse them.

ETA: The SCOTUS has lately been reversing a ton of qualified immunity (immunity for officers who violate your rights) and environmental cases out of that circuit. The 9th likes to hold police accountable for fricking with citizens rights; the Supreme Court? Not so much.
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 8:25 am
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
6933 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:23 am to
They are one of the largest circuits and only a marginal amount of their cases by the Supreme Court.


The vast majority of their rulings stand
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22375 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:23 am to
Nah lefties here say that the high percentage is misleading bc they have a high number of cases.

What are the % of reversals of the other circuit courts?
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 8:25 am
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:24 am to
Here is some actual data for anyone interested:

Data!
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
18268 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:25 am to
They're basically the peej of law.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:26 am to
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They're basically the peej of law.
nice
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:26 am to
Fake news. False title. Anchor coming.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115680 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:26 am to
They get overturned by a LARGE margin more than any other circuit. There's no defending him.
Posted by FalseProphet
Mecca
Member since Dec 2011
11706 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:26 am to
quote:

Nah lefties here say that the high percentage is misleading bc they have a high number of cases.


It's not a lefty thing. It's just facts, but spin it all you want.

It's a left-leaning court with a huge number of cases who can only be reviewed by a right-leaning court. I wonder why reversals happen so much?
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:26 am to
Do you understand why cases go to the Supreme Court? 99.8% of the 9th circuit's decisions aren't even reviewed.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:29 am to
quote:

They are one of the largest circuits and only a marginal amount of their cases by the Supreme Court. The vast majority of their rulings stand


Because they're not challenged.
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
15108 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:32 am to
quote:

They get overturned by a LARGE margin more than any other circuit.

Does anyone have the numbers for the other circuits? I'd like to see a comparison of what percentages of the other circuits' cases that go before the SCOTUS get overturned. I'll make the assumption that it's not 80% for most of the circuits.
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 8:34 am
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:33 am to
at all of the legal experts on this board contorting themselves in order to make excuses why the 9th Circuit's reversal rate at the SCOTUS is not relevant.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:36 am to
Scotus blog has district score cards listed on their site, you should check them out. The 11th has had all their decisions that were considered reversed the past 2 years. Two sessions ago scotus overturned 72% overall with the 9th at 68%. Last year 9th was at 80% with total at 67%. State courts were overturned at 85% rate last year. It's important to get "inside the numbers" and not just fall for shiny objects.

Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23168 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:36 am to
quote:

they are usually only taking them because they want to reverse them


That's just nonsense.

The is median is 68 percent (even including the 9th circus).
Posted by FalseProphet
Mecca
Member since Dec 2011
11706 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:37 am to
quote:

at all of the legal experts on this board contorting themselves in order to make excuses why the 9th Circuit's reversal rate at the SCOTUS is not relevant.


The reversal rate is relevant in normal circumstances. This is not a normal circumstance. The reviewing court does not have a majority-conservative lean, this isn't a run-of-the-mill case where the judges won't consider political implications, and you need 5 judges to stay the stay.

So, why is it relevant again, and why do you seem to know the result already?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95189 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:37 am to
The ABA says both the 9th and Federal circuit are reversed at about an 80% clip, the 7th Circuit is lowest at about 55%, and the median is about 65%.

LINK
Posted by mworld938
Jax Beach
Member since Sep 2008
1626 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:38 am to
When I was involved in counter narcotic operations, all our cases were held in the 11th (Tampa). They were very friendly to Federales. This included seizures made right off Baha. It was far above my pay grade on how those cases were always held in the 11th without geographic considerations of the actual interdictions.
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