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re: Wow, didn't know the 9th circuit has an 80% reversal rate at the Supreme Court

Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:39 am to
Posted by UHTiger
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:39 am to
Alternative facts!
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:40 am to


Posted by UHTiger
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:41 am to
Fore, while we do appreciate young posing real facts as to Trumptard alternative facts, they will view his as part of the 'fake polls' that they will try to ignore.

Trumptards don't do well with real facts and real data
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:41 am to
at you for believing that the 9th had 80% of it's decisions reversed.
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:44 am to
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it only involves cases that the SCOTUS actually takes
Not sure you understand how math works...
Posted by Crimson Wraith
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:48 am to
They should be impeached.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:48 am to
quote:

Fore, while we do appreciate young posing real facts as to Trumptard alternative facts, they will view his as part of the 'fake polls' that they will try to ignore.


well, everyone knows that scotus blog is a left-wing fake news site backed by Soros
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:49 am to
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and why do you seem to know the result already?


Wow! Now THAT is some desperate projecting!

There is zero evidence in my first post that I have any opinion on what the SCOTUS will rule.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:53 am to
You have some serious issues if you have to put a with almost everyone of your posts. No one thinks you are funny. Just stupid.
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:53 am to
Why do you think they are called the 9th Circus?
Posted by FalseProphet
Mecca
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:53 am to
I forgot you don't like to address the substance of posts. Is the reversal rate relevant in these circumstances? If so, why, and what facts support your contention?
Posted by JuiceTerry
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:54 am to
I was mocking your own post, you dunce.
Posted by LSU Patrick
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:55 am to
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 8:56 am to
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. Is the reversal rate relevant in these circumstances?
You don't think that court's reversal rate is relevant?

I know I'd be damn embarrassed if I knew my decisions which reached the SCOTUS were reversed at the rate the 9th's decisions are.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:01 am to
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Is the reversal rate relevant in these circumstances


It's basically telling you how frequently, when this court is asked to weigh in on difficult questions, they get it wrong.

Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:15 am to
It's just one of many reasons why our divided nation should be divided geopolitically. Let the Left Coast do it's thing while the Heartland carries on with American tradition.
Posted by BaylorTiger
Member since Nov 2006
2083 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:20 am to
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It's basically telling you how frequently, when this court is asked to weigh in on difficult questions, they get it wrong.


THIS.

The talking point, while it does have validity, that they only send a small percentage of cases to the SC and even though it is an 80% reversal it is marginal.

This assumes all cases are equal. They are not. Especially this case.

It's known and quite obvious which cases the SC will take and a tiered approach needs to be taken when looking at the "only 1%" of the cases that go to the SC of which 80% are overturned.

For the sake of simplicity, lets "assume" this case goes to the supreme court (which it will) and by definition fits the "1%". Which 80% of like cases get overturned. This fits that mold.

The mental gymnastics on this is totally missing the point that all cases are not created equal and is taking statistical validity and its most basic form when in reality more complex layers are needed to analyze.
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 9:21 am
Posted by BaylorTiger
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:25 am to
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Not sure you understand how math works...


There is an entire level of math called Statistics and Qualitative Analysis that people find more valuable than 2 + 2.

The mental gymnastics on this is abhorrent.

Cases, like the one we are discussing, have an 80% rejection rate. We are not talking about the 99% of cases that are not like this one. We are talking about the cases that match the characteristics of this one.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27686 posts
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:10 am to
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they are usually only taking them because they want to reverse them.


That's even more telling. Perhaps they are taking the Brennan philosophy of looking at rights even way beyond the "penumbras and emanations" thing. THey need to be slapped down in that case.

However, given yesterday's ruling, the state of Arizona would have a case in being able to enforce immigration law on its own....since states now have standing when it comes to immigration issues which heretofore was the purview of he federal government and the Executive Branch.
Posted by FalseProphet
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:13 am to
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Cases, like the one we are discussing, have an 80% rejection rate. We are not talking about the 99% of cases that are not like this one. We are talking about the cases that match the characteristics of this one.


How do you know that this is one of those ones that "match the characteristics" of the other reversals?
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