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re: Would you support a convention of states?
Posted on 6/17/17 at 2:26 pm to Old Sarge
Posted on 6/17/17 at 2:26 pm to Old Sarge
Please enlighten me. Tell me how much unconstitutional law SCOTUS has created 
Especially include how you think adding a convention of the states would help with the problem.
You are the one with zero clue about how the Court or constitution works. Your all caps rant about the court creating unconstitutional law proves that
Especially include how you think adding a convention of the states would help with the problem. You are the one with zero clue about how the Court or constitution works. Your all caps rant about the court creating unconstitutional law proves that
This post was edited on 6/17/17 at 2:32 pm
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Posted on 6/17/17 at 2:26 pm to Friscodog
Yes.
Term limits
Balanced budget amendment
Stop all the spying and surveillance of Americans.
Term limits
Balanced budget amendment
Stop all the spying and surveillance of Americans.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 2:39 pm to Mulat
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35 years ago I made an oath to support and defend the constitution, against all enemies foreign and domestic... Therfore, Yes I would support an Article V convention.
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50 yrs ago here, I am with you
The only thing I would fear about an Article 5 convention would be, that given our sorry state of misinformed public educated representatives we might just end up worse off than we are now.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 2:40 pm to Loserman
It would be a horrible document, without a doubt. Can you imagine the PC and special interest influence?
All the people who would support a convention: How do you think the bill of rights would stand up to the scrutiny of today's reps? 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th at least would be unrecognizable. I assume the 10th and 14th amendments would be all but rescinded
All the people who would support a convention: How do you think the bill of rights would stand up to the scrutiny of today's reps? 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th at least would be unrecognizable. I assume the 10th and 14th amendments would be all but rescinded
This post was edited on 6/17/17 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 6/17/17 at 3:43 pm to Friscodog
Term limits for Senate, congress, and federal judges. Balanced budget amendment, line item veto
Posted on 6/17/17 at 3:53 pm to narddogg81
Term limits for federal judges? The only way that works is if they can only be appointed to one term
Do you see how awful it is when elected reps have to fear for their seat? Start having federal judges run for reelection and see what types of decisions you get.
Do you see how awful it is when elected reps have to fear for their seat? Start having federal judges run for reelection and see what types of decisions you get.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 3:57 pm to Friscodog
quote:100%
Would you support a Convention of States under Artile V of the Constitution?
Posted on 6/17/17 at 4:00 pm to NC_Tigah
Can you tell us why? Every other person I've asked doesn't answer the question.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 4:01 pm to Friscodog
I would and do
Posted on 6/17/17 at 4:07 pm to ILeaveAtHalftime
quote:yes, 1 20 year term. Year 20 end and you are out, next up
Term limits for federal judges? The only way that works is if they can only be appointed to one term
Posted on 6/17/17 at 4:17 pm to weagle99
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Only if it was guaranteed that a runaway convention wouldn't occur.
I don't think something like that is likely, but even if so 38 states would still have to ratify anything that came out of it. It's fear-mongering to bring it up imo
Posted on 6/17/17 at 4:19 pm to ILeaveAtHalftime
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It would be a horrible document, without a doubt. Can you imagine the PC and special interest influence?
An Art V convention wouldn't re-write the existing document though
Posted on 6/17/17 at 5:48 pm to DaGarun
You don't think so?
They would just amend it right? I'm sure it would be very narrow in scope, every other government function is. :eyeroll:
They would just amend it right? I'm sure it would be very narrow in scope, every other government function is. :eyeroll:
Posted on 6/17/17 at 6:35 pm to ILeaveAtHalftime
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They would just amend it right? I'm sure it would be very narrow in scope, every other government function is. :eyeroll:
No, I think it's far more likely that they would eliminate the right to free speech and assembly and get it ratified 38 times
Posted on 6/17/17 at 6:40 pm to DaGarun
If you don't think some serious changes would be made to the first amendment and others at such a convention, you have not been paying attention.
Conservative law makers will not stand up for their beliefs. They will not go to bat for you. Conservative law makers these days know one play: bend over and take it. They would cave to PC and the state legislatures would cave PC. Just like they all have at every single step of the way.
ETA: and I didn't say eliminate the first. I said they would render it unrecognizable
Conservative law makers will not stand up for their beliefs. They will not go to bat for you. Conservative law makers these days know one play: bend over and take it. They would cave to PC and the state legislatures would cave PC. Just like they all have at every single step of the way.
ETA: and I didn't say eliminate the first. I said they would render it unrecognizable
This post was edited on 6/17/17 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 6/17/17 at 6:48 pm to BigJim
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alanced budget amendment
While a balanced budget is a good thing and should be the norm, there are scenarios where requiring a balanced budget could produce catastropic consequences.
Of course I do realize we are approaching catastrophic consequences now without it.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 6:51 pm to ILeaveAtHalftime
A convention of the states is a terrible and dangerous idea. Look at history: we've had one of these in 1787. IT was officially called to do one thing (revise portions of the Articles of Confederation) and it went so much further than its call in creating a whole new system of government. And that was with many outstanding leaders/thinkers as delegates.
Who would be the delegates this time? How would they be chosen? How many would each state get? I shudder to think of the complete lunatics that states like Louisiana and Texas and Oklahoma (much less Vermont or Maryland) might send to such a meeting. I simply do not trust the typical leaders we have now, on the Left or Right, to have the power to create a completely new system of government.
And should we rely on our state legislatures as a check on such a Convention? I think not. As corrupt as Congress is, most state legislatures are twice as corrupt and under the control of vested interests.
I am a liberal Democrat and I favor term limits. Why couldn't we focus a movement on getting Congress to pass an amendment to get that done? If we'd focus on one thing that has widespread support we might get it passed. 2 terms for US Senators and 4 terms for US Reps would be enough for me.
Who would be the delegates this time? How would they be chosen? How many would each state get? I shudder to think of the complete lunatics that states like Louisiana and Texas and Oklahoma (much less Vermont or Maryland) might send to such a meeting. I simply do not trust the typical leaders we have now, on the Left or Right, to have the power to create a completely new system of government.
And should we rely on our state legislatures as a check on such a Convention? I think not. As corrupt as Congress is, most state legislatures are twice as corrupt and under the control of vested interests.
I am a liberal Democrat and I favor term limits. Why couldn't we focus a movement on getting Congress to pass an amendment to get that done? If we'd focus on one thing that has widespread support we might get it passed. 2 terms for US Senators and 4 terms for US Reps would be enough for me.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 7:16 pm to Friscodog
Hard debt limits given as percent of GDP.
Deficit spending cannot increase more than the average of the past 10 years of GDP growth on a annual basis
Restrictions removed in time of declared war.
Deficit spending cannot increase more than the average of the past 10 years of GDP growth on a annual basis
Restrictions removed in time of declared war.
This post was edited on 6/17/17 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 6/17/17 at 8:06 pm to Friscodog
Yes, repeal income tax and replace with FairTax. Repeal popular election of state Senators.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 8:50 pm to Friscodog
I would. This Union no longer represents We the People.
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