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Wikileaks is a threat to American National Security
Posted on 3/10/17 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 3/10/17 at 3:53 pm
Doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on. If you support the leaks of hacked or stolen information just because it suits your political agenda, then you are a fool.
Republicans were falling over themselves to praise Assange when Wikileaks was leaking information from the DNC but now that it doesn't fit their political agenda - they're the enemy.
Assange claims he is starting a debate about privacy and national security. Why is he not targeting Russia, China, or other authoritarian regimes?
I don't get how people think we stand to gain anything from these CIA leaks. We just handed our playbook to the opposing team. God only knows how much money we are going to have to spend to regain a foothold.
I doubt I change many minds here, but the folks from the intelligence community I interacted with while in the military were some of the most patriotic and dedicated people I have ever met. Calling these people the enemy really pisses me the hell off.
Republicans were falling over themselves to praise Assange when Wikileaks was leaking information from the DNC but now that it doesn't fit their political agenda - they're the enemy.
Assange claims he is starting a debate about privacy and national security. Why is he not targeting Russia, China, or other authoritarian regimes?
I don't get how people think we stand to gain anything from these CIA leaks. We just handed our playbook to the opposing team. God only knows how much money we are going to have to spend to regain a foothold.
I doubt I change many minds here, but the folks from the intelligence community I interacted with while in the military were some of the most patriotic and dedicated people I have ever met. Calling these people the enemy really pisses me the hell off.
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 3:56 pm to Azazello
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f you support the leaks of hacked or stolen information just because it suits your political agenda, then you are a fool.
If they are leaking evidence of our government breaking the law then they are doing the citizens of this country a service.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 3:56 pm to Azazello
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Liberals are a threat to American National Security
FIFY
Posted on 3/10/17 at 3:57 pm to Azazello
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Assange claims he is starting a debate about privacy and national security. Why is he not targeting Russia, China, or other authoritarian regimes?
Wait. Do you believe Wikileaks only publishes US docs?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 3:57 pm to Azazello
Disclosure of information is not dangerous. What is dangerous is if the information was stolen or come across by means that were not voluntary.
Now if the plans of a major advance or military operation come public before the operation that is dangerous. But this last dump about Vault 7 was much ado about nothing, as it really did not even get to the tip of the iceberg of what our spying and cyber capabilities are IMO. It did though make things somewhat tougher.
Now if the plans of a major advance or military operation come public before the operation that is dangerous. But this last dump about Vault 7 was much ado about nothing, as it really did not even get to the tip of the iceberg of what our spying and cyber capabilities are IMO. It did though make things somewhat tougher.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 3/10/17 at 3:58 pm to Azazello
WikiLeaks reveals exactly how the CIA can spy on all of us and shares the information with tech companies so they can provide patches and they are a threat to us?
The CIA is the threat.
The CIA is the threat.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 3:59 pm to joshnorris14
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The CIA is the threat.
Not really, but believe what you want to believe.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:00 pm to joshnorris14
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WikiLeaks reveals exactly how the CIA can spy on all of us and shares the information with tech companies so they can provide patches and they are a threat to us?
The CIA is the threat.
Intelligence agencies have been able to tap phone lines for decades. Does that make them enemies of the American people?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:00 pm to Azazello
quote:What if I support the leaks of hacked or stolen information on general principles?
If you support the leaks of hacked or stolen information just because it suits your political agenda, then you are a fool.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:00 pm to Azazello
If your wife was cheating on you
You wouldn't want to find out from some random person who has proof?
You'd rather just continue with your merry little life. Nice
You wouldn't want to find out from some random person who has proof?
You'd rather just continue with your merry little life. Nice
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:01 pm to joshnorris14
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joshnorris14
If they're the enemy - then what would you have in it's place in order to gain intelligence on our enemies?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:02 pm to Magician2
Is there evidence the CIA was spying on American citizens here in the USA? I must have missed that evidence - please post.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:03 pm to sms151t
Any part of the US government that is able and willing to spy on it's citizens is a threat to everyone's freedom and liberty.
Edited to add: Based on the lack of character I find associated with politicians and government I do not trust covert operators to do the right thing.
Edited to add: Based on the lack of character I find associated with politicians and government I do not trust covert operators to do the right thing.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:05 pm to Paluka
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Any part of the US government that is able and willing to spy on it's citizens
Where is the evidence they're spying on American citizens?
If there is evidence the CIA is spying on everyday Americans - then I'm on board with you but I haven't seen anything that says they have.
The capability to do so does not mean they have.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:06 pm to Azazello
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Is there evidence the CIA was spying on American citizens here in the USA? I must have missed that evidence - please post.
You ever hear of this cat called Edward Snowden?
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:06 pm to Azazello
Wikileaks doesn't pick which agency/country/politician etc that they want to go after. They receive a fair amount of information from whistleblowers than expose it to the public.
The CIA fricked up and clearly won't admit its errors in their own cyber security. Podesta, Hillary, dnc all fricked up.
First of all they only released 1% of vault 7 and it's just the tools that the CIA and ic has acquired. Nothing definitive of them using it on American citizens. I guess we'll find out in the coming weeks/months.
But to just pretend that the CIA is this organization of saints not breaking any laws is ridiculous.
The CIA fricked up and clearly won't admit its errors in their own cyber security. Podesta, Hillary, dnc all fricked up.
First of all they only released 1% of vault 7 and it's just the tools that the CIA and ic has acquired. Nothing definitive of them using it on American citizens. I guess we'll find out in the coming weeks/months.
But to just pretend that the CIA is this organization of saints not breaking any laws is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:07 pm to Azazello
Just curious.
What is the difference between CNN or the New York Times printing classified leaks and protecting the names of their sources and Wikileaks?
In my opinion, the MSM expects you to take their word that they are dealing accurate information, and Wikileaks gives you the evidence. They all should go to jail, but I trust Wikileaks's information more!
What is the difference between CNN or the New York Times printing classified leaks and protecting the names of their sources and Wikileaks?
In my opinion, the MSM expects you to take their word that they are dealing accurate information, and Wikileaks gives you the evidence. They all should go to jail, but I trust Wikileaks's information more!
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:07 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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You ever hear of this cat called Edward Snowden?
The guy spilling secrets to the FSB in the Lubyanka?
Also, we are talking about the CIA.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:07 pm to Azazello
The whole point of National Security is that you would like to be secure from Bad Things. But what exactly are we afraid is going to happen in reference to these leaks? Some country that believes in surveilling our every move and isn't too fond of our constitutional protections might take over? Seems to me that's like citizens of 1980s China being worried about falling into the Soviet Union's government
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:08 pm to Azazello
Please see my edit. I do not have the faith in them that apparently you do.
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