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Why does Iraq matter?
Posted on 6/27/14 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 6/27/14 at 5:41 pm
I don't understand why we should care about Sunnis killing Shias and vice versa. These peoples hate each other this is just a civil war. Can someone give me one reason why this fight is worth one American life or one American dollar? The only plausible reason is a little higher gas prices.
Now I just heard Obama wants to give half a billion dollar aid to moderate rebels in Syria. What interest do we have in Syria?
Please no one give me they will attack us if we don't stop them. These people are fighting with small weapons that were first used in the 1950s.
Now I just heard Obama wants to give half a billion dollar aid to moderate rebels in Syria. What interest do we have in Syria?
Please no one give me they will attack us if we don't stop them. These people are fighting with small weapons that were first used in the 1950s.
This post was edited on 6/27/14 at 5:48 pm
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Posted on 6/27/14 at 5:47 pm to kfont28
One could write a dissertation on this. But let's keep it simple.
1. Oil baw. Better put, stability (har fricking har) in a strategically important region.
2. We broke it. Read Colin Powell's quote some years ago. He was right.
I wouldn't commit a single Soldier or Marine's life to propping up Maliki's punk arse or his Shiite cronies, but I would consider ISR support and limited strikes to contain ISIL. The Shia are, at this point in history, a much lesser evil than Sunni Islamists.
1. Oil baw. Better put, stability (har fricking har) in a strategically important region.
2. We broke it. Read Colin Powell's quote some years ago. He was right.
I wouldn't commit a single Soldier or Marine's life to propping up Maliki's punk arse or his Shiite cronies, but I would consider ISR support and limited strikes to contain ISIL. The Shia are, at this point in history, a much lesser evil than Sunni Islamists.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 5:49 pm to kfont28
We are doing it for pride. We just can't accept that 4 trillion dollars and 5,000 dead soldiers later, it was all just a huge mistake like Vietnam was. The problem with this country is arrogance, too much mindless patriotism and a military budget of nearly one trillion dollars a year. We have to justify that budget by waging war and using all the toys. And the corporate alliance with the military pushes for endless war for endless profits. Thus the military-industrial complex.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 5:55 pm to genuineLSUtiger
This post was edited on 6/27/14 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 6/27/14 at 5:56 pm to Navytiger74
I understand why you would be ok with limited strikes but in my opinion there is no winning in that region the best case scenario is to leave these people alone. Yes we broke it but it's so messed up there it's not worth trying to fix it. Really a Sunni vs Shia war could end up being a good thing. They can focus on killing each other and leave us alone.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 6:35 pm to kfont28
The only thing that air strikes will accomplish is creating more enemies for the US. Every father, brother and son of a man killed by a US bomb or missle is our enemy for life. Let them kill each other and stay out of it.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 6:45 pm to Navytiger74
quote:
1. Oil baw. Better put, stability (har fricking har) in a strategically important region.
2. We broke it. Read Colin Powell's quote some years ago. He was right.
2 contradicts 1. America doesn't "stabilize" shite, and hasn't since WW2. Unless we actually keep boots on the ground, in massive numbers, things go to shite as soon as we leave.
Also even assuming geopolitics is amoral and They Don't Count, blood for oil isn't as compelling a trade as it was ten years ago now that we've been fracking for the last decade.
This post was edited on 6/27/14 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 6/27/14 at 6:56 pm to kfont28
What pisses me off more than anything is we didn't even take the oil! The Turks the Canadians the Chinese have taken it! That's what's so disgusting
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:11 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
We just softened things up for those three countries.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:33 pm to Navytiger74
quote:And yet the US is supporting them in Syria.
The Shia are, at this point in history, a much lesser evil than Sunni Islamists.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:44 pm to JazzyJeff
There should only be two American objectives in this region.
1. Oil. This actually hardly ever requires much from us, as all these sides want to sell oil. I have yet to see a group of environmentalists fighting for control out there.
2. Always helping the losing side. This insures that the crazies are always fighting someone else. They are always fighting, so we should insure they fight someone other than us.
1. Oil. This actually hardly ever requires much from us, as all these sides want to sell oil. I have yet to see a group of environmentalists fighting for control out there.
2. Always helping the losing side. This insures that the crazies are always fighting someone else. They are always fighting, so we should insure they fight someone other than us.
This post was edited on 6/27/14 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:57 pm to Stingray
Again, 2 contradicts 1. Believe it or not, constant civil wars are not the best environment for drilling operations to take place in.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:03 pm to kfont28
My personal opinion is that it is in the interest of the United States to have a big footprint in that part of the world. It isn't so much because of all the oil, we actually get most of our oil imports from Canada and Mexico. It's more because everyone else gets so much oil from the Persian Gulf, and it is useful for everyone to know that security in the region stems from Uncle Sam's involvement.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:06 pm to Iosh
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gain, 2 contradicts 1. Believe it or not, constant civil wars are not the best environment for drilling operations to take place in.
It's not. There are wars all over the middle east right now.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:07 pm to Iosh
All of you war for oil types have no idea what's going on in the world right now. The middle east as the oil center of the world is quickly becoming a non-issue, and they're concerned about that.
There are criticisms of Bush, but war for oil is a fricking joke. War for nation building is the issue. Added in with some really piss poor boundary drawing in the early 20th century, and you have a lot to bitch about. But if you think this is all a war for oil, Dick Cheney is the antichrist, routine, you're living on talking points that are getting more outdated with every day.
There are criticisms of Bush, but war for oil is a fricking joke. War for nation building is the issue. Added in with some really piss poor boundary drawing in the early 20th century, and you have a lot to bitch about. But if you think this is all a war for oil, Dick Cheney is the antichrist, routine, you're living on talking points that are getting more outdated with every day.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:12 pm to Sus-Scrofa
Does anyone really want the 6th or 7th (depending on which site you use) largest oil producing nation to be controlled by ISIS?
You know ISIS a terrorist organization.
You know ISIS a terrorist organization.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:14 pm to Edearl Watson
quote:And you know that the US is supporting the ISIS and arming them in Syria, right?
You know ISIS a terrorist organization.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:16 pm to Edearl Watson
We don't want Iraq to become a failed, lawless state like Afghanistan was prior to 9/11. Those are the kind of environments in which terrorist organizations can operate most easily. File this under "Reason #3,576 that invading Iraq was a dumb idea."
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:17 pm to Edearl Watson
quote:
You know ISIS a terrorist organization.
When were they designated a terrorist organization? What terrorist acts have they committed?
Not saying they are nice guys (they aren't). But we are throwing around some phrases here that aren't necessarily true.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:17 pm to JazzyJeff
quote:You mean the guy with a pen and a phone yo!
And you know that the US is supporting the ISIS and arming them in Syria, right?
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