re: Why Does Black Lives Matter Use People Like Michael Brown and Alton Sterling?

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Is it because they don't have enough others to support their narrative? You'd think that if cops were really just going open season on black people as they say, they would have many better examples of racial injustice by the police.

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Glad you asked

Philando Castile - Legal gun owner, killed during a traffic stop. Case pending

Akai Gurley - Unarmed. Killed in a NYC hallway by supposed "accidental discharge". No jail time for cop.

Walter Scott - Shot in the back and killed while running away from a cop, on video even. Mistrial, no jail time. Currently a federal case is pending

Rekia Boyd - killed by off duty Chicago cop after getting into a verbal altercation over a noise complaint. Cop fired into a crowd, she was hit in the head and died. She nor anyone in her group had a weapon. No jail time for cop

Jonathan Ferrell - Killed after seeking help after he was in a car accident. Shot 10x and killed. No jail time for cop. He did not have a weapon

John Crawford - Killed in a Beavercreek, OH. He was shopping in Walmart and had a "toy gun" which is sold in Walmart. Killed on camera by police. Cops served no jail time.

Bettie Jones - Unarmed. Shot and killed as she opened the door to allow officers in to help settle a domestic issue. No jail time for cops.

Chandra Weaver - Killed when a police cruiser crashed into a car she was a passenger in. No jail time or even charges against the cops

Oscar Grant - Shot in the back and killed as he was handcuffed on the ground after a disturbance on a BART train. Officer convicted. Served less than 9 months in jail


Are these good enough for the OP?

Reading the comments in this thread by certain posters, we must assume that every police officer is bad and that every suspect who has been arrested for resisting arrest or beating up or killing a police officer are all good law abiding citizens defending them selves against the evil police. I guess the police officers killed in Dallas and Baton Rouge was assaulting their killers and that gave the killers the right to shoot the police out of self-defense.

This world is bat shite crazy. One day these people will need the police and wish the police were around to help them.

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Ya think? He was shot with the said gun

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What? That makes absolutely no sense

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There is always a reliable witness around.

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check out the second question

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If a cop attacks you outside of doing his lawful job, you are perfectly allowed to defend yourself, including and up to grabbing his gun and killing him if need be.

However, if he's lawfully doing his job then it is illegal to resist and lawful for the police officer to then use whatever means necessary to protect himself, including killing you.

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Great point. Now what did Mike Brown do unlawfully to result in him not being able to defend himself?

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Now what did Mike Brown do unlawfully to result in him not being able to defend himself?

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He assaulted a store owner for one...

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So lets add to this scenario that your entire life you have been fricked with by the police for no reason. Every time you have an interaction with the police it is some bullshite. How would you respond to the habitual harassment.

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Refrain from engaging in criminal activity that would increase the likelihood and severity of those interactions?

#1 on my list of "shite not to do" list would be fight with the cops.

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Reading the comments in this thread by certain posters, we must assume that every police officer is bad and that every suspect who has been arrested for resisting arrest or beating up or killing a police officer are all good law abiding citizens defending them selves against the evil police.

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Likewise, when cops are barely charged and walk free when they do get charged, we must assume that all cops are good, honest and follow the law and everyone they shot and killed deserved to die. We must also assume that cop lives are more valuable than ordinary citizens.

I guess the unarmed innocent people shot killed by police all across the US were assaulting these cops and gave the officers the right to kill them out of self defense.

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Now what did Mike Brown do unlawfully to result in him not being able to defend himself?

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Fought with the cop for possession of the cop's gun. I'm not saying that 100% happened - I wasn't there. Neither were you. However, this is what the preponderance of the evidence shows Brown was killed in the street, yards away from Wilson and the vehicle. Yet his DNA were on the gun and inside the vehicle - providing corroborating evidence for Wilson's version.

Surely you don't continue to believe the "Hands up, don't shoot" narrative, which has been pretty conclusively disproven, even by the family's forensic examiner? I get some of you guys want to argue about what was justified and what wasn't - I'm still a little on the bubble because the cop has to answer for every shot - AND Brown was unarmed. I still have a visceral bad feeling anytime that happens.

Compare and contrast the prevailing sentiment about Walter Scott - yes, Scott ran. Yes, Scott fought with the cop in N. Charleston for possession of the weapon, but he was clearly not a threat when he was shot and killed. It remains to be seen what happens there.

But - none of that is applicable in Brown's case. He fought with cop for his gun, physically injured him and was most definitely NOT shot in the back or with his hands up.

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Great point. Now what did Mike Brown do unlawfully to result in him not being able to defend himself?

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If you're being serious here great. Now we can have a discussion.

The events started with the dumb arse and his dumb arse friend walking in the middle of the road? We can agree on that , correct?

Now along comes the cop who I'm sure as he drove by yelled at the two to "get their black asses out of the road" or something similar.

I'm quite sure MB yelled something back, causing the cop to stop rather than continue on his patrol.

Upon stopping the Officer realized that MB matched the description of a robbery suspect.

^That gives the LEO the legal authority to detain you. Not arrest at this point, but detain. You do NOT have the right to resist that lawful detainment. You simply don't.

But MB did, and that's where the fight broke out. Wilson was in the right, Brown in the wrong, simple as that.

On the other hand, if Wilson had just walked up to Brown and slapped him in the face, well obviously that isn't a legal function of his job so he couldn't just assault the guy and then claim "hey I'm a cop, he fought me, so I shot him"

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Likewise, when cops are barely charged and walk free when they do get charged, we must assume that all cops are good, honest and follow the law and everyone they shot and killed deserved to die.

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Well, I categorically deny that bias on my part. There are tons of proven stories about bad/murdering cops - just in the Rampart Division, Antoinette Frank and countless bits about NY cops doing hits for the mob.

But, in the specific cases of Michael Brown and Alton Sterling, I remain unconvinced of police misconduct. A bad outcome does not mean they acted unjustifiably. (For that matter - there a lots of rude and unprofessional cops that don't end up killing folks, so that cuts both ways, too.)