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re: Why Does Black Lives Matter Use People Like Michael Brown and Alton Sterling?

Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:36 pm to
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:36 pm to
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What I'm God's name did they do to discriminate against white people?


Nothing. They found no fault on the part of FPD, so your argument of an biased investigation is moot.

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The insinuation that having a black president and black attorney generals govern our laws exhumes racist against my fellow white Americans is as betas and insecure as it gets. What are/were you scared of ?

I don't see where you're going with this. I'm saying the investigation turned up with nothing so there obviously wasn't some sort of injustice in Ferguson as you claim.
Posted by Balloon Huffer
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:36 pm to
he wasn't selling compact discs.....


the media loves to hide behind CDs.....
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:37 pm to
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shite eater, I am still here. Let's talk about the second surveillance video that was just released of Mike Brown exchanging weed for cigars? Now what does this do for the argument he just robbed the store?

Ok, let's assume you're right. What does that have to do with him trying to take a cop's gun after assaulting him?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:38 pm to
There's plenty of cases of police over reach. If they picked their cases to riot over a little better they might have a better result.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:38 pm to
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You don't seem to know what that means.


What are you referring to?
Posted by Screaming Viking
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:38 pm to
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Now what does this do for the argument he just robbed the store?


well, let's say that the cops were called because some assclown is walking down the middle of the street. then he argues with said cop. then he reaches for said cops weapon....same result. dead assclown.

bottom line is that no one cares if he robbed the store or not. fighting with the cop is what got him shot.

can you not wrap your head around this??
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:38 pm to
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Seems how you've already started easing the goalposts back? First it was (paraphrasing) "he was arrested FOR selling cds," now it's "well one thing led to another...."

That's his MO. Expect nothing more.
Posted by TheXman
Middle America
Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:39 pm to
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Let's talk about the second surveillance video that was just released of Mike Brown exchanging weed for cigars?


So he was exchanging weed for cigarillos with store employees, then when the store owner found out and confronted him he assaulted him?

I don't see how this is supposed to help Browns case
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:41 pm to
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Is it because they don't have enough others to support their narrative? You'd think that if cops were really just going open season on black people as they say, they would have many better examples of racial injustice by the police.


There are plenty of cases that fit this.

But those are generally cut and dry and even mot white people would side with them. Their goal is divisiveness and not unity so they pick shite martyrs to use.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 2:46 pm
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:41 pm to
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I somewhat agree with this premise, but this doesn't apply to Michael Brown. I understand that maybe he didn't respect the police officer, which is a completely different thread. But when he decided to go after Wilson's gun, all bets are off and Wilson is well within his right to kill Brown.


And you know what, I agree with you, if that's actually what went on. But wilsons narrative and police departments histories of fabricating stories gives me great pause. The notion we have to believe is that Wilson would never lie under oath and that PDs don't have a history of fabricating stories when they are implicated. For Wilson to feel no remorse, and to expound on the matter as "doing his job" feels cold and fishy and slimy. For the life of me, I hope our Officers don't look at taking down a citizen as "doing your job." (Even though the job does call for it at times).

Far too many times have black folks experience one testimony to justify the murder of a black body, to later find out that it's a fabricated lie (we just found out emit Till accuser was a liar --- a shock to not a black person alive). I offer to you to put yourself in the shoes of an skeptical group of people. When you have history as theirs, skepticism of the truth is warranted and I would argue a survival tactic.


I just cannot take that without a pause. Especially when Wilsons id of the Brown "charge" reads out of 1880s post reconstruction minstrel show.
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:43 pm to
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So he was exchanging weed for cigarillos with store employees, then when the store owner found out and confronted him he assaulted him?

I don't see how this is supposed to help Browns case


No joke.

Look, if you go into a store every day and the guy behind the counter gives you a free pack of smokes and then one day you come in and just forcibly take them, that's theft, you don't get to say "hey every other time the worker just gave me the smokes, so this time I just cut out the asking part"

Not that that is any way relevant to why Brown was shot, other than offering further proof of just how stupid he was.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:43 pm to
Many of the towns where these things are happening have black mayors, black police chiefs, majority black city councils, black DAs, black judges, black school boards, as well as majority black populace.

Yet, it's still institutional racism?
Posted by LSU_Saints_Hornets
Uptown NO,LA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:43 pm to
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Ok, let's assume you're right. What does that have to do with him trying to take a cop's gun after assaulting him?



So if you are walking down the street minding your business and a cop starts fricking with you (physically), you are not going to try and defend yourself?
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:46 pm to
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But those are generally cut and dry and even mot white people would side with them. Their goal is decisiveness and not unity so they pick shite martyrs to use.


I would argue that even those cases are met with a "BUT..." justification. By in large, I think most people would give cops the benefit of the doubt/pass/get of jail free card for some of those crimes, if they deem it under the umbrella of "perils of the job."

And that's what baffles black folks. That people will justify the state taking anothe innocent citizens life if that means "protecting their lives" (xenophobia and fear of the blacks runs deep but it is steadily dissipating).

Their lives are not meaningless on the job tasks
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:46 pm to
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And you know what, I agree with you, if that's actually what went on. But wilsons narrative and police departments histories of fabricating stories gives me great pause.


They found MB's DNA on the gun and witnesses saw him reaching into DW's car
Posted by Sody Cracker
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:46 pm to
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Who else are they going to use? Law-abiding blacks don't get in trouble.


And, because they are working etc they don't have time to riot and burn their own neighborhoods. The poor blacks are the target audience of BLM.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:46 pm to
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Many of the towns where these things are happening have black mayors, black police chiefs, majority black city councils, black DAs, black judges, black school boards, as well as majority black populace.

Yet, it's still institutional racism?


Blacks can perpetuate black racism. How is that shocking
Posted by LSU_Saints_Hornets
Uptown NO,LA
Member since Jan 2013
9739 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:47 pm to
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Seems how you've already started easing the goalposts back? First it was (paraphrasing) "he was arrested FOR selling cds," now it's "well one thing led to another...."



I'm not, I'm just saying we have a thing called due process. My problem with this is both Mike Brown and Sterling were approached by cops and killed. Resisting arrest is a death sentence for any large black man. I know you shouldn't but some people object to being man handled if you know you haven't done anything to warrant what Brown and Sterling did prior to being shot.
Posted by TheXman
Middle America
Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:47 pm to
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The notion we have to believe is that Wilson would never lie under oath and that PDs don't have a history of fabricating stories when they are implicated.


It seems to me from all of my reading on the case though, that the ballistics/forensics backed up Wilson's testimony. And that includes an investigation by the Eric Holder led DOJ. Of course the Ferguson PD wasn't perfect but I don't think they are a "racist" police department.

I have no problem with the black community being skeptical of law enforcement. But at the same time, you can't go around rioting and burning down buildings before ANY investigation commences and we are only dealing with hearsay and anecdotal evidence.

That will not build sympathy with anyone, and will hurt the cause every time.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
134865 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:47 pm to
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So if you are walking down the street minding your business and a cop starts fricking with you (physically), you are not going to try and defend yourself?

Probably not. I will lose that fight one way or another 100% of the time. I'm certainly not going to go for his gun. Would you?
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