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re: Why Does Black Lives Matter Use People Like Michael Brown and Alton Sterling?

Posted on 3/13/17 at 4:20 pm to
Posted by PoundFoolish
East Texas
Member since Jul 2016
3724 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 4:20 pm to
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Apparently a couple posters here still think MB was a pillar of the community


He would have been studying hard as a junior in college on his way to a Rhodes Scholarship if only . . .
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 4:22 pm to
It's more about leftist agitation than social justice. The puppeteers know that these figures will be called guilty by non-idiots, so they can then scream "see?! they're all racists who think blacks deserve to die" and the idiot sheep buy it.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 4:23 pm to
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And we are going to have to deal with all this hyperbole and misinformation when the officers in the Sterling matter are not indicted. I'm actually concerned about it.

It's like death and taxes. You're just going to have to accept it. The ignorance will be off the charts as usual.

SS and LSH deal exclusively in hyperbole so don't expect them to change.
Posted by PoundFoolish
East Texas
Member since Jul 2016
3724 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 4:23 pm to
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I'm actually concerned about it.


I'm thinking that with the Dallas lawsuit and some other political turnover at the top, the misinformation will be confined to a smaller sector of the population. Possibly this might mean less upheaval, but I can't be sure. We'll likely have obvious problems from the usual suspects.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 4:25 pm to
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I'm thinking that with the Dallas lawsuit and some other political turnover at the top, the misinformation will be confined to a smaller sector of the population. Possibly this might mean less upheaval, but I can't be sure. We'll likely have obvious problems from the usual suspects.

I actually disagree. I think throwing a Trump/Sessions DOJ in the mix is going to amplify the effect.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23711 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 4:30 pm to
OK, I know I'm walking into a saliva spitting racist chat, but here goes.

The reason that black lives matter gets active in these arrest/police shooting cases is because the disparity in treatment during arrest or confrontation with the police is the exact issue they are highlighting. Police aren't typically going around like snipers shooting black people or white people. However, when there is a confrontation between police and someone, typically upon some kind of suspicion that the citizen is doing or has done something illegal, there is a higher probability that the black person will experience enhanced violence from the officer. That's the entire point of it.

And so the issue is that the black lives matter. So before anyone jumps to the next level of violence during the interaction, consider that the black person has a life that matters and a family, etc. Treat them in the same manner in which you treat the white person. That isn't really asking much.

If they've done the crime, whoever it is, they should still do the time. Just don't blow them away at the arrest if it isn't necessary.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 4:32 pm
Posted by PoundFoolish
East Texas
Member since Jul 2016
3724 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 4:33 pm to
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there is a higher probability that the black person will experience enhanced violence from the officer because of non-compliance. That's the entire point of it.



fify
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 4:40 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260547 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 4:38 pm to
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However, when there is a confrontation between police and someone, typically upon some kind of suspicion that the citizen is doing or has done something illegal, there is a higher probability that the black person will experience enhanced violence from the officer. That's the entire point of it.


This is why are data rarely should be used. I imagine it's proportional to black peoples compliance and the path of violent crimes
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 4:39 pm to
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The reason that black lives matter gets active in these arrest/police shooting cases is because the disparity in treatment during arrest or confrontation with the police is the exact issue they are highlighting



Utter bullshite....unless you're talking about the disparity of treatment of police during arrest or confrontation. Don't start nothing..won't be nothing.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48313 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 4:42 pm to
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I know I'm walking into a saliva spitting racist chat, but here goes.




Pathetic.

Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76309 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 4:50 pm to
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However, when there is a confrontation between police and someone, typically upon some kind of suspicion that the citizen is doing or has done something illegal, there is a higher probability that the black person will experience enhanced violence from the officer. That's the entire point of it.

There was actually a Harvard study conducted by a black researcher that disproved this narrative.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
134861 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 4:52 pm to
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However, when there is a confrontation between police and someone, typically upon some kind of suspicion that the citizen is doing or has done something illegal, there is a higher probability that the black person will experience enhanced violence from the officer. That's the entire point of it.


Link to info that proves this?
Posted by PoundFoolish
East Texas
Member since Jul 2016
3724 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 4:55 pm to
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There was actually a Harvard study conducted by a black researcher that disproved this narrative.


From Roland Frye, a Harvard economist . . .

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This paper explores racial di?erences in police use of force. On non-lethal uses of force, blacks and Hispanics are more than ?fty percent more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police. Adding controls that account for important context and civilian behavior reduces, but cannot fully explain, these disparities. On the most extreme use of force –o?cer-involved shootings – we ?nd no racial di?erences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account. We argue that the patterns in the data are consistent with a model in which police o?cers are utility maximizers, a fraction of which have a preference for discrimination, who incur relatively high expected costs of o?cer-involved shootings.


LINK
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 5:13 pm to
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From Roland Frye, a Harvard economist . . .


Science!
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 5:36 pm to
I would go to the police station and ask if there was anything that I could do to help in the community. I would make sure that they knew that I was a good dude and would know everyone of them by name. They would know me by name. When they see me out and about they would be disarmed by default and we would have friendly relations.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89531 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 7:19 pm to
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You believed OJ killed Nicole despite the court ruling otherwise.


Because the jury disregarded a shite ton of awfully good objective evidence. Now, there was enough sketchy shite going on that I don't fully blame the jury at the end of the day. There was A LOT of blame to go around. Clark and Darden just being woefully outmatched from day 1 was only part of the puzzle that was the OJ verdict.

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Now you decide since Zimmerman was found not guilty by the courts it was a lawful shoot.


Again, I'm evaluating the evidence. Both guys contributed to the confrontation - Zimmerman will have to live with that (he's definitely a piece of work) - however - the evidence is pretty consistent with a story of - Zimmerman (almost certainly tinged by a hefty amount of prejudice) followed Martin - an act that was not, per se, illegal. Martin picked up on being followed and was concerned enough to call someone - not his father a few dozen yards away, mind you - but a girl. Instead of making a bee line home, he doubled back and confronted Zimmerman. He was winning the fistfight quite decisively until... a tragedy for the young man, but based on the evidence we have - the evidence we're actually able to evaluate, the shooting appears justified under the law.

Posted by SavageOrangeJug
Member since Oct 2005
19758 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:01 pm to
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It's an undisputed fact that Michael Brown was executed while on his knees.


Well, undisputed except for the actual physical evidence that proves your statement is bullshite, you fricking idiot.
Posted by roux
Tiger Territory
Member since Dec 2006
1590 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:38 pm to
Money
Posted by MrBiriwa
Biriwa,OH
Member since Nov 2010
7116 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:45 am to
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He would have been studying hard as a junior in college on his way to a Rhodes Scholarship if only . . .


He's dead now, guess we'll never know
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:48 am to
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The reason that black lives matter gets active in these arrest/police shooting cases is because the disparity in treatment during arrest or confrontation with the police is the exact issue they are highlighting


Just wondering if you are aware that study after study has proven the exact opposite , that police are actually LEFF likely to use violence on blacks.

Except, oddly, black police who remain about even.
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