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re: Why didn't we use the South Korean approach?
Posted on 4/25/20 at 9:18 am to ConwayGamecock
Posted on 4/25/20 at 9:18 am to ConwayGamecock
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ConwayGamecock
Are you still trying to tell us that SK didn't turn into a surveillance state with their CV
response? Will you Al least admit you have no fricking idea what you were talking about when you called it "Hollywood imagination"?
LINK
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After the 2015 MERS outbreak, South Korea developed new procedures and revised laws to enable more aggressive contact-tracing. The government was given the ability to access citizens’ credit card records, cellphone GPS data, bank records, and the wide-ranging network of security cameras.
South Korea has the highest proportion of cashless transactions in the world and one of the world’s highest rates of cellphone ownership, along with millions of security cameras.
During dangerous epidemics, authorities have warrantless access to the private data.
Once someone is confirmed with COVID-19, the government can retrace their movements and alert, notify, and if necessary, quarantine others who may have come into contact with them. Quarantined people are required to download a monitoring app that alerts authorities if they break isolation.
As South Koreans move about the country, they receive new geographically linked alerts about those who have been infected.
At least admit you were wrong about this and then folks might take you a bit more seriously.
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Posted on 4/25/20 at 9:21 am to RD Dawg
He will do no such thing. Because Trump!!
Posted on 4/25/20 at 11:15 am to ConwayGamecock
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and he did nothing but whittled down the CDC's effectiveness to rapidly respond to COVID-19
You want to explain to the group exactly what Trump did that whittled down the CDC's ability to respond?
Posted on 4/25/20 at 11:28 am to ConwayGamecock
The lab was CDC’s central laboratory complex in Atlanta. That was the only manufacturing lab involved.
The CDC insisted on closing the manufacturing process to outside labs under the auspices of quality control. There were no other "labs" involved in manufacturing the shitty CV19 tests.
IT WAS DONE ENTIRELY BY THE CDC.
PERIOD!
The CDC Lab was run by the "experts" you laud. It was their baby. It assembled the kits within a lab space that was also handling synthetic coronavirus material. That was GradeA stupid. Trump had zero to do with that stupidity.
Nonetheless, the stupidity could have been recognized had the CDC simply employed intermittent QCTs. They did not. Instead in essence, the CDC doubled down on stupid. As a result, they didn't find out the tests were crap until they were fully deployed, and had failed in the field in early Feb. By that time, the rest of the world possessed remaining RNA reagent supply, along with swabs, etc.
At that point, Trump intervened.
He kicked the Redfield/Fauci CDC model to the curb.
He went to a business-oriented all-hands-on-deck approach. Any available, capable US resources were tapped. Our domestic labs, which the CDC had initially deliberately excluded, were tasked to rebuild an inventory from nearly ground zero. Today more than 230 test developers are seeking FDA authorization for their tests; 20 have been granted. An additional 110 US laboratories are using their own tests.
Trump's public-private partnership producing ~ 10 million tests to detect a single virus in such a short time frame is unprecedented. Since mid-Feb in this system, Trump's system, we've produced twice as many tests as any other country in just over 50% of the time.
The CDC insisted on closing the manufacturing process to outside labs under the auspices of quality control. There were no other "labs" involved in manufacturing the shitty CV19 tests.
IT WAS DONE ENTIRELY BY THE CDC.
PERIOD!
The CDC Lab was run by the "experts" you laud. It was their baby. It assembled the kits within a lab space that was also handling synthetic coronavirus material. That was GradeA stupid. Trump had zero to do with that stupidity.
Nonetheless, the stupidity could have been recognized had the CDC simply employed intermittent QCTs. They did not. Instead in essence, the CDC doubled down on stupid. As a result, they didn't find out the tests were crap until they were fully deployed, and had failed in the field in early Feb. By that time, the rest of the world possessed remaining RNA reagent supply, along with swabs, etc.
At that point, Trump intervened.
He kicked the Redfield/Fauci CDC model to the curb.
He went to a business-oriented all-hands-on-deck approach. Any available, capable US resources were tapped. Our domestic labs, which the CDC had initially deliberately excluded, were tasked to rebuild an inventory from nearly ground zero. Today more than 230 test developers are seeking FDA authorization for their tests; 20 have been granted. An additional 110 US laboratories are using their own tests.
Trump's public-private partnership producing ~ 10 million tests to detect a single virus in such a short time frame is unprecedented. Since mid-Feb in this system, Trump's system, we've produced twice as many tests as any other country in just over 50% of the time.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 12:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i remember in early March asking liberals if they thought Trump should have declared martial law to shut down major urban, coastal areas and they were AGHAST at the possibility of that sort of dictatorial action
You'll notice I have yet to mention any political party. Our response has failed, as evidenced in the highest death rates on Earth. I believe we should have used an Americanized version of the South Korean method. We had no plan. We have yet to develop a concise, coordinated plan. Infections are going up. Time to adapt our plan. It's that simple. We can't change the fact the we failed early on , and the evidence supports that we failed miserably early on. We can, however, adjust and improve and learn from our failures.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 12:47 pm to madhatterman
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You'll notice I have yet to mention any political party. Our response has failed, as evidenced in the highest death rates on Earth
No we don't.Our deaths to infections aren't close to Western Europe (sans Germany) and neither are the deaths per capita. We still don't know how many died in China
Posted on 4/25/20 at 1:01 pm to RD Dawg
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No we don't.Our deaths to infections aren't close to Western Europe (sans Germany) and neither are the deaths per capita. We still don't know how many died in China
Deaths per million. New York 1108, New Jersey 660, Connecticut 493, Massachusetts 374, Louisiana 365, Michigan 310.
Belgium 597, Spain 490, Italy 436, France 346.
New York and New Jersey combined have more deaths than Italy (Italy being second in total deaths to the United States) yet their combined population is 30 million less than Italy. More total deaths, half the population.
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 4/25/20 at 1:03 pm to NC_Tigah
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But those flaws were not recognized for weeks, not until early Feb.
As the virus spread, we had virtually no functional kits.
The CDC-developed polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test received an EUA from FDA on February 4, 2020, to detect the virus in upper and lower respiratory specimens. What was the holdup on testing with that?
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 4/25/20 at 1:06 pm to madhatterman
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Deaths per million. New York 1108, New Jersey 660, Connecticut 493, Massachusetts 374, Louisiana 365, Michigan 310.
What? So you're picking and choosing different pockets of the country vs entire countries?
WTF kind of cherry picking is this?
So go ahead and do California and Texas.
How bout we do just Northern Italy vs the rest of the world?
How bout London? Madrid?
Posted on 4/25/20 at 1:12 pm to RD Dawg
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What? So you're picking and choosing different pockets of the country vs entire countries?
The virus is spreading from the epicenter to other parts of the country. Go look at daily cases and deaths of states around New Jersey and New York. I think we should have used our limited supplies in the most impacted areas early on, sheltered in place until we increased testing, and implemented an Americanized contact tracing program for all new cases thereafter. I think we should have had a national plan, implemented in an organized fashion on a local level. We didn't but I'm hoping we will very soon.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 1:19 pm to RD Dawg
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What? So you're picking and choosing different pockets of the country vs entire countries?
Also, I'm not sure if you've travelled Europe but countries are similar to our states. Belgium has a population of 11.6 million, New Jersey has a population of 8.8 million. Belgium has 6,917 deaths, New Jersey 5,863. I picked the most impacted areas in Europe and the most impacted ares in America. The difference is we're behind Europe in terms of the spread and containment measures, yet we're ahead of their most impacted areas in terms of deaths per capita.
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 4/25/20 at 1:20 pm to madhatterman
quote:FALSE!
highest death rates on Earth
We have more total deaths, because we have a large country.
Our death rate is nowhere near the worst in the world
quote:Once again, there was no daylight between our intended approach and SoKo's. SoKo deployed functioning tests at the outset. We didn't. SoKo's model was based in part on US advice.
I believe we should have used an Americanized version of the South Korean method.
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 4/25/20 at 1:22 pm to NC_Tigah
New York is on pace to have more deaths than Italy yet New York has 1/3 the population of Italy.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 1:25 pm to madhatterman
First, brilliant deflection but tell me again why who cherry picked data from NYV,NJ and Conn to back up your obviously incorrect statement?And why not use Northern Italy, Madrid,London or Brussels if we're comparing regions vs regions? Which is it?
I'll address your other statements after you answer the original point.
I'll address your other statements after you answer the original point.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 1:26 pm to NC_Tigah
If New York and New Jersey were a country, they would have more deaths than any other country in the world with the exception of the United States.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 1:27 pm to madhatterman
quote:You're kidding right?
Deaths per million. New York 1108, New Jersey 660, Connecticut 493, Massachusetts 374, Louisiana 365, Michigan 310.
Belgium 597, Spain 490, Italy 436, France 346.
Spain's fatality rate is THREE TIMES THE US RATE!
Hell dude, using your math, Oklahoma actually beat LSU in the Peach Bowl.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 1:33 pm to RD Dawg
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First, brilliant deflection but tell me again why who cherry picked data from NYV,NJ and Conn to back up your obviously incorrect statement?And why not use Northern Italy, Madrid,London or Brussels if we're comparing regions vs regions? Which is it?
I looked at the worst deaths rates per capita in the world and compared them to the worst death rates per capita of states in the United States. I initially did this just to compare Louisiana to the worst places on Earth. Louisiana by the way, is only behind Belgium, Italy and Spain for deaths per capita.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 1:36 pm to madhatterman
quote:If Lombardy was a country, it would take the prize. It isn't. Same is true of Madrid.
If New York and New Jersey were a country
Don't be stupid!
Posted on 4/25/20 at 1:42 pm to NC_Tigah
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Spain's fatality rate is THREE TIMES THE US RATE!
Spain has 46.9 million people. New York has 19.5 million. Spain has 22,902 deaths. New York has 21,728 deaths. You're obviously looking at deaths per case. I look at deaths per capita because it eliminates the variable of testing volume and just concentrates on the number of deaths per capita. Deaths per capita is the final measure of the toll of the virus.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 1:45 pm to NC_Tigah
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Don't be stupid!
Only children, deranged women and Dims use this logic.
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