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re: Who is legally in charge in Ukraine?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:11 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:11 pm to LSURussian
Expect the argument to now shift in another direction and a spin on prior comments or an outright denial of prior comments that we can all click one page back to see.
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:12 pm to cwill
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:33 pm to LSURussian
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Frankly, you are out-and-out lying. None of your links support what you claim they say. Not even the video you linked which I had to sit through for over 8 minutes just to confirm you're lying said the US has spent 5 billion dollars into Ukrainian politics.
Most of the US aid to Ukraine has been for institution building, as they call it. To build a market based economy, such as establishing a healthy financial sector. To help establish a stock market and a bond market, neither of which Ukraine had when the Soviet Union fell apart.
I know because I worked there in one of those programs.
Try again.
You're such an unethical poster. Some have caught onto it, and I'm glad.
Washington establishment organizations are open about their funding of organizations in the Ukraine that promote candidates that will fulfill western interest.
And a member of the US government admits to us investing billions to secure favorable government in Ukraine.
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Most of the US aid to Ukraine has been for institution building, as they call it. To build a market based economy, such as establishing a healthy financial sector. To help establish a stock market and a bond market, neither of which Ukraine had when the Soviet Union fell apart.
This is in line with exactly what I've been saying. Russia isn't too fond of our intention to have a western controlled global economic homogeny.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:35 pm to Sleeping Tiger
quote:Wrong. Why do you lie so blatantly and so easily provable even using your own links?
And a member of the US government admits to us investing billions to secure favorable government in Ukraine.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:36 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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Russia isn't too fond of our intention to have a western controlled global economic homogeny.
I think you mean hegemony.
And I'm not too fond of Russia's intention to have an eastern controlled global economic hegemony.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:40 pm to rcd0808
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And I'm not too fond of Russia's intention to have an eastern controlled global economic hegemony.
Which is why I'm clear that I don't think there is a good guy in this fight.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:44 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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homogeny
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:54 pm to LSURussian
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Wrong. Why do you lie so blatantly and so easily provable even using your own links?
Whatever.
The lady literally says 'we invested 5 billion dollars to help Ukraine achieve these goals and others' as she's talking about democratization and favorable government.
And this kind of stuff is just a tip of the iceberg. That short article on Ron Paul's site goes into more depth about our indirect aggression against Russia.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 3:12 pm to Sleeping Tiger
quote:She did NOT say that.
The lady literally says 'we invested 5 billion dollars to help Ukraine achieve these goals and others' as she's talking about democratization and favorable government.
She said the $5 billion was to help Ukraine "build democratic skills and institutions as they promote civic participation in good governance all of which are pre-conditions for Ukraine to achieve its European aspirations."
That is word for word what she said.
She specifically did NOT say to install a favorable government. You made that up.....which is a polite way of saying you lied.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 3:13 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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Which is why I'm clear that I don't think there is a good guy in this fight.
I hope you agree that what Russia did is worse than what we did, but maybe you don't.
And I would think that on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the worst, Putin hit a 10 and you can argue about our score, but no way does it pass 2.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 3:17 pm to LSURussian
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She did NOT say that.
She said the $5 billion was to help Ukraine "build democratic skills and institutions as they promote civic participation in good governance all of which are pre-conditions for Ukraine to achieve its European aspirations."
That is word for word what she said.
7:42 of the video she says what I said.
And these democratic institutions that promote 'good governance' are considered good because they align with western interest.
You're playing dumb on this, per usual.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 3:21 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Why should we promote our interests at all then? You seem to think supporting like minded governments is a bad thing.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 3:21 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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And these democratic institutions that promote 'good governance' are considered good because they align with western interest.
So-called Western interests happen to be democracies.
Not knowing exactly what is involved, I'd give the nod to the good govt. types over the authoritarian govts.
Encouraging Ukranian democracy is a no brainer and one way to effectively put a buffer around the Russian Bear without using the military. I call this good foreign policy.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 3:26 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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And these democratic institutions that promote 'good governance' are considered good because they align with western interest.
You are wrong. Good governance is good governance, whether it is about corporate governance or government governance. Things like openness and transparency. It has nothing to do with politics other than an open government.
You're desperate and over your head on this topic.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 3:27 pm to doubleb
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Encouraging Ukranian democracy is a no brainer and one way to effectively put a buffer around the Russian Bear without using the military. I call this good foreign policy.
At the same time you have to understand why Russia wouldn't take kindly to the US trying to subvert Ukrainian politics.
We want to have those gas pipelines under western control, we want NATO in Ukraine, we want Ukraine to be owned by the western central banking hegemony. These things would be terrible for Russia.
We must be imperialistic when it come to foreign policy, our economy is dependent on it.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 3:28 pm to LSURussian
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Things like openness and transparency
Like the FED?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 3:28 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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At the same time you have to understand why Russia wouldn't take kindly to the US trying to subvert Ukrainian politics.
We want to have those gas pipelines under western control, we want NATO in Ukraine, we want Ukraine to be owned by the western central banking hegemony. These things would be terrible for Russia.
We must be imperialistic when it come to foreign policy, our economy is dependent on it.
And Russia isn't?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 3:32 pm to TWD7105
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And Russia isn't?
Not picking Russia's side, I'm picking the truth's side.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 3:32 pm to Sleeping Tiger
quote:Stupid diversion on your part since you are the poster who argued over 10 pages in a thread when you were posting under your previous screen name that the Federal Reserve is a private bank without "anything to do with the government."
Things like openness and transparency
Like the FED?
I was the one pointing out to you the governmental oversight of the Fed.
Have you now changed your mind about the Fed???
Posted on 3/4/14 at 3:33 pm to Sleeping Tiger
quote:YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
I'm picking the truth's side.
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