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re: Who is legally in charge in Ukraine?

Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:09 pm to
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:09 pm to
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I don't think you understand the purpose of a hypothetical.





I understand it but its a bad example for many reasons. There is really no comparison you can use.
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:12 pm to
Careful with that photo, C, there's pepperoni visible in it.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:14 pm to
quote:



I understand it but its a bad example for many reasons. There is really no comparison you can use.


You don't understand that certain things have to be thrown out when you're applying a hypothetical.

We've been dumping money into subverting Ukrainian politics in an effort to hurt the Russian economy, gain military advantages, and add a key country to the western banking block.

Forget that Canada would tell Russia to F off. It's irrelevant.

If Russia was trying to manipulate Canadian politics for the same reasons we've been trying to control Ukrainian politics, we'd be pissed.

Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125419 posts
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:14 pm to
those chicks are sub standard for what i have seen in eastern europe or from the ones who live here
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125419 posts
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:16 pm to
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We've been dumping money into subverting Ukrainian politics in an effort to hurt the Russian economy, gain military advantages, and add a key country to the western banking block


Two things here. Most of Ukraine wants western help to give them that push to move and become a modern and self sufficient nation and see Russia is the road block in the way. Second Russia is in the way doing all the crooked shite they have done in a country thats not theirs
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:18 pm to
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We've been dumping money into subverting Ukrainian politics in an effort to hurt the Russian economy,
You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

And you still have not provided a link to your claim of "billions" were given to Ukraine by the US to get a president elected there.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:20 pm to
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Careful with that photo, C


I should know better than to trust your links...
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:22 pm to
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Careful with that photo, C



I should know better than to trust your links...
MY links??? How was that my link?

ETA: I see now. It's down at the very bottom of the link to the article I gave on the election fraud. At least in the article I linked the photo was so small it was harmless. You enlarged the photo to damn near life size!
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 1:25 pm
Posted by CherryGarciaMan
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Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:23 pm to
Fox News 2002


quote:

he Bush administration has spent more than $65 million in the past two years to aid political organizations in Ukraine, paying to bring opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko (search) to meet U.S. leaders and helping to underwrite exit polls indicating he won last month's disputed runoff election.

U.S. officials say the activities don't amount to interference in Ukraine's election, as Russie State Department (search) spends each year trying to build democracy worldwide.

No U.S. money was sent directly to Ukrainian political parties, the officials say. In most cases, it was funneled through organizations like the Eurasia Foundation or through groups aligned with Republicans and Democrats that organized election training, with human rights forums or with independent news outlets.

But officials acknowledge some of the money helped train groups and individuals opposed to the Russian-backed government candidate — people who now call themselves part of the Orange revolution. (search)
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:26 pm to
Do you know the difference between "billions" and "millions"???
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125419 posts
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:26 pm to
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Fox News


going to have to do better than that.


Like I said before Ukraine wants our help. Russia has been rigging elections, buying votes and extreme voter fraud along with their secret service doing other shady shite to keep Russian backed puppets in charge.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

And you still have not provided a link to your claim of "billions" were given to Ukraine by the US to get a president elected there.



There ya go.

Establishment organizations such as The National Endowment for Democracy, Freedom House and the Open Society Institute and their many affiliate agencies have played a huge role in the shaping of the political scene in the Ukraine. Institue for Political Economy

And this here is direct influence from the US, not establishment organizations.

“After three visits to Ukraine in five weeks, Victoria Nuland explains that in the past two decades, the United States has spent five Billion dollars ($5,000,000,000) to subvert Ukraine, and assures her listeners that there are prominent businessmen and government officials who support the US project to tear Ukraine away from its historic relationship with Russia and into the US sphere of interest (via “Europe”). LINK

Posted by CherryGarciaMan
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Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:27 pm to
Millions of US dollars

=

Billions of Ukraine whatevers.

I never asserted billions, but to play dumb is really, well, Russian of you.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:27 pm to
whoever can get organized the quickest
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:28 pm to
quote:

Imagine if Russia was spending billions to control Cuban politics in an effort to hurt our economy and gain military advantages over us, as part of an overall goal to create a global economic homogeny.


FIFY

So we have the green light to invade Cuba now, right???
Posted by TWD7105
Member since Feb 2014
130 posts
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:30 pm to
Exactly what I was talking about, you weirdos equate Russia's invasion with us supporting a dude who was poisoned and scarred for wanting political freedom?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:36 pm to
Your first link won't load.

Your second link is to a source no one has ever heard of and in any case she is definitely NOT part of the US government.

You claimed "Our government admits to investing billions into Ukrainian politics."

Let's try this again: provide a link to a credible news source that supports your claim the US government "admits" it spent billions of dollars in Ukrainian politics.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

Millions of US dollars

=

Billions of Ukraine whatevers.

I never asserted billions,
WTF is wrong with you??? Are you so butt hurt over St George that you've lost all cognitive ability?

I asked mograyback to provide a link to support his claim that the US government admits to spending billions of DOLLARS into Ukrainian politics.

You show up instead with a flaky quote about the US spending 65 million DOLLARS in electioneering expenses.

I ask you if you know the difference between billions and millions and your above statement is what you come up with?? Are you high?
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 1:41 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 3/4/14 at 2:05 pm to
0 for 3...

Frankly, you are out-and-out lying. None of your links support what you claim they say. Not even the video you linked which I had to sit through for over 8 minutes just to confirm you're lying said the US has spent 5 billion dollars into Ukrainian politics.

Most of the US aid to Ukraine has been for institution building, as they call it. To build a market based economy, such as establishing a healthy financial sector. To help establish a stock market and a bond market, neither of which Ukraine had when the Soviet Union fell apart.

I know because I worked there in one of those programs.

Try again.
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