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re: Where Does the First Amendment Guarantee you a Stage and a Microphone?
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:35 pm to Centinel
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:35 pm to Centinel
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If they provide security for one speaker, then they must for all speakers.
You cannot discriminate against speakers and continue to be funded by the public.
Right, so LSU regularly allows speakers on campus. For classes, student orgs, etc. So the first amendment reasonably guarantees that I get an auditorium if I want one?
Same thing for a public high school?
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 2:36 pm
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Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:37 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Why is that relevant? Being a condescending prick isn't going to help prove a point. I'm pro 2nd Amendment and have never advocated for the banning of firearms. But there are reasonable limitations, like not being able enhance your guns to fire as quickly as a bump stock allows you to.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:38 pm to TBoy
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So I can call LSU and demand that they give me a microphone and a podium and their largest public conference room and they are compelled to do it? Just because other people get to present speeches in the room?
Sorry man, despite how distasteful this sounds, no one gives a shite that you want to speak. No one wants to hear it and no one wants to protest it. You don't need an auditorium.
Both security and logistics would call for him needing an auditorium. Or do you think its smart for UF to let him preach on the sidewalk as you implied earlier?
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:41 pm to cahoots
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Right, so LSU regularly allows speakers on campus. For classes, student orgs, etc. So the first amendment reasonably guarantees that I get an auditorium if I want one?
Same thing for a public high school?
You're not comprehending what I'm saying. A University, High School, whatever, will have some sort of public speaking policy. As long as the speaker follows that policy, they can not be turned away just based on who they are or what their message is.
That is the entire damn crux of this argument. Some of you think it's perfectly fine to turn down a speaker based on who he is or what he says.
The court has said you are wrong.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:41 pm to MSMHater
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No one wants to hear it and no one wants to protest it.
But they can't discriminate right? If they have to let Spencer speak, then they have to let random average Joe speak. Otherwise it's discrimination.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:42 pm to MSMHater
You're missing the point.
Does the first amendment give him a constitutional right to an auditorium?
Does the first amendment give him a constitutional right to an auditorium?
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:43 pm to AggieDub14
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But they can't discriminate right? If they have to let Spencer speak, then they have to let random average Joe speak. Otherwise it's discrimination.
Can't discriminate apparently. Hobos get auditoriums too.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:43 pm to Centinel
Okay, so don't turn them down based on what they are saying. Turn them down based on if they have been invited by a University affiliated organization or not.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:43 pm to Centinel
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Publicly funded University.
Either they allow anyone to speak or no one to speak. No in between.
That's not how it works...Spencer can stand on any corner and spew his bile, universities shouldn't be giving him a platform - not saying we should force universities not to do this but they, their administration should be more responsible and exercise some oversight.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:46 pm to AggieDub14
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Okay, so don't turn them down based on what they are saying. Turn them down based on if they have been invited by a University affiliated organization or not.
If this is the school policy, then that would be acceptable because ALL speakers would need a sponsor.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:46 pm to Centinel
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You're not comprehending what I'm saying. A University, High School, whatever, will have some sort of public speaking policy. As long as the speaker follows that policy, they can not be turned away just based on who they are or what their message is.
That is the entire damn crux of this argument. Some of you think it's perfectly fine to turn down a speaker based on who he is or what he says.
Ok, so let's take it a step further. If I follow the normal speaking procedure, can I go to a high school and talk about the benefits of drug use and be protected by the first amendment?
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:46 pm to AggieDub14
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But they can't discriminate right? If they have to let Spencer speak, then they have to let random average Joe speak. Otherwise it's discrimination.
Why are you ignoring the salient points on so many posts?
SECURITY AND LOGISTICS! Liability abounds for the university if they pay no attention to either. That's all that really matters to them. How much liability could they have if something truly bad happened while he is on campus? How do they mitigate said liability without breaking the law or being sued for discrimination.
$500,000 in security and venue costs.
Not giving every yahoo off the street a venue isn't discrimination if the venue is not necessary to have the event safely.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:46 pm to Centinel
Then we are in agreement. *checks to make sure hell hasn't frozen over*
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:47 pm to cahoots
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Does the first amendment give him a constitutional right to an auditorium?
No. UF's fear of liability does.
They don't have the same fear when you speak.
ETA: Actually think out what could happen if he was "on the street". Who would be responsible? WHo would be paying out damages? More or less than the costs for security and venue?
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:47 pm to cahoots
Omg you are my favorite poster
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:47 pm to cwill
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That's not how it works...Spencer can stand on any corner and spew his bile, universities shouldn't be giving him a platform - not saying we should force universities not to do this but they, their administration should be more responsible and exercise some oversight.
That's exactly how it works. Again, refer to the Ayers court case.
You can not refuse a person a platform simply because of their beliefs and be publicly funded.
I can't believe I'm having to sit here and argue that discrimination based solely on beliefs is bad to you people.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:48 pm to MSMHater
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Both security and logistics would call for him needing an auditorium. Or do you think its smart for UF to let him preach on the sidewalk as you implied earlier?
That's his call whether to speak on the sidewalk. David Duke used to speak on the sidewalk at LSU. No one can just call and demand to get a speaking program. If he thinks he can do that, he's a bigger idiot than I thought.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:48 pm to AggieDub14
I know this argument sounds good to you morons but it's not. In fact it's painfully fricking stupid and I can illustrate how stupid it is very quickly
Let's say that violent assholes threatened any and all events held by minorities on University campuses. Then let's say those campuses began to cancel events buy those minorities using the security concerns argument. Would you still Hold Your Position? I think we know the answer that question
The government shouldn't be in the business of picking and choosing cool it will defend and protect. If it's going to be in that business then it's time we start shooting frickers. The government would never tolerate Banning female speakers black speakers Hispanic speakers or even just liberal speakers if the reason was security concerns.
Hell it used to be in our country that when the South tried to let people violently prevent speech the federal government sent in the National Guard. And rightfully so
You leftist frickers are nothing but a bunch of totalitarian pieces of shite
Let's say that violent assholes threatened any and all events held by minorities on University campuses. Then let's say those campuses began to cancel events buy those minorities using the security concerns argument. Would you still Hold Your Position? I think we know the answer that question
The government shouldn't be in the business of picking and choosing cool it will defend and protect. If it's going to be in that business then it's time we start shooting frickers. The government would never tolerate Banning female speakers black speakers Hispanic speakers or even just liberal speakers if the reason was security concerns.
Hell it used to be in our country that when the South tried to let people violently prevent speech the federal government sent in the National Guard. And rightfully so
You leftist frickers are nothing but a bunch of totalitarian pieces of shite
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:50 pm to ShortyRob
Homeless joe just demanded a speaking platform from 9pm to 6am. Guess we have to give it to him.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:50 pm to AggieDub14
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Then we are in agreement. *checks to make sure hell hasn't frozen over*
I never had an issue with A&Ms policy. I don't necessarily agree with it, but in its current form as I understand it it doesn't discriminate so I can't exactly argue against it on those grounds.
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