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What is the health care end goal?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:58 am
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:58 am
You know we see hundreds of threads with all these ideas for what should or shouldn't happen relating to Health Care. But like so many discussions To me it's silly to discuss what to do before you solidify the end State you are attempting to achieve.
Is the goal to cover every swinging dick in America? Or is the goal to Simply cover all of those who are unable to get coverage themselves? These may sound like the same question but they aren't. And Beyond those two questions there are other sub questions. For example is the goal to make sure that people have access to coverage or is the goal to make sure that everyone has access to equal coverage?
I could go on but the point is it seems silly to discuss what should be in proposals without discussing what you believe those proposals should achieve
Is the goal to cover every swinging dick in America? Or is the goal to Simply cover all of those who are unable to get coverage themselves? These may sound like the same question but they aren't. And Beyond those two questions there are other sub questions. For example is the goal to make sure that people have access to coverage or is the goal to make sure that everyone has access to equal coverage?
I could go on but the point is it seems silly to discuss what should be in proposals without discussing what you believe those proposals should achieve
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 7:59 am
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:01 am to ShortyRob
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:02 am to ShortyRob
Complete and total free-market healthcare.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:07 am to ShortyRob
quote:
What is the health care end goal?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:07 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Complete and total free-market healthcare.
for those that can afford it
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:08 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Complete and total free-market healthcare
That's cool. I just think that anyone proposing some idea should have to say what final goal they are hoping to achieve. In terms of people covered versus not covered what are they trying to achieve? I say that because for example for decades we were told we needed Healthcare reform because so many people couldn't afford it. Then when we finally passed the plan sure it covered people couldn't afford it for free. But then it basically became a handout to a crap ton of people who could afford it.
I've always wondered why people think that I should feel bad if a person who can buy insurance chooses instead to buy a nice car? If that person doesn't prioritize their own health care why should I? Often people will say but we end up paying for it anyways. But their own argument indicates that they don't believe this. If the people who aren't covered we're still getting all the Care they needed well we got stuck with the bill there wouldn't be a problem in the first place
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 8:10 am
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:09 am to ShortyRob
The goal is to make billions for gop and trump cronies.
That bill presented is DOA.
Obama care will stand.
That bill presented is DOA.
Obama care will stand.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:10 am to mahdragonz
quote:I didn't ask what the goal of this bill was. I want to know what you think the goal should be
goal is to make billions for gop and trump cronies
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:15 am to ShortyRob
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I want to know what you think the goal should be
Single Payer is coming...whether it's affordable or not...a change in political demographics, a younger more Liberal populace will demand it. Deal with it now or deal with it later.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:18 am to ShortyRob
Whatever the end game we must come to terms with treating those without insurance. Some providers are going to do it no matter what...some pharma companies are going to offer reduced or free drugs to those without the means to pay...which means that those of us who do pay will pay for those drugs and that treatment with a regulation or not...unless of course we make it illegal to do either of those things.
If we are going to, in addition to providers and pharma companies, provide basic health care to everyone...the whole not allowing them to die in the gutter thing...then someone is going to pay.
If we are going to, in addition to providers and pharma companies, provide basic health care to everyone...the whole not allowing them to die in the gutter thing...then someone is going to pay.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:19 am to OchoDedos
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Single Payer is coming...whether it's affordable or not...a change in political demographics, a younger more Liberal populace will demand it. Deal with it now or deal with it later.
Single-payer isn't an end goal. It's a method for achieving a desired end goal. I realize that many proponents of single-payer erroneously believe it by definition means equal coverage for all and access do nothing but be most up-to-date care. This is false. Hence the question in the original post
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:22 am to ShortyRob
Redistribute wealth
Increase governmental power
Increase government dependence
secure political votes
Increase governmental power
Increase government dependence
secure political votes
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:22 am to germandawg
quote:which ones? Those who can't afford or can't buy insurance? Or everyone who chooses not to insure themselves?
Whatever the end game we must come to terms with treating those without insurance
I personally think the former is a legitimate thing to discuss and speaking for myself I support coming up with ideas for how to assist those people. As for the latter I frankly don't give a f***. If they die because they're stupid then I suspect others will choose more wisely
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:23 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Complete and total free-market healthcare.
What does that look like when a provider treats folks regardless of their ability to pay and hospitals treat folks on a sliding scale and pharma does the same thing? Seriously....we do not have much regulation on the selling of cheap blue jeans in the US....that is about as free a marketplace as there is.....yet we are still paying for those who will simply steal those cheap blue jeans. I wouldn't want to see retailers of such jeans forced to take that loss out of their end...that is not a free market by any standard....yet that is the only way to keep those of us with insurance from footing the bill of those without when a provider decides to treat with no regard for the patients ability to pay....
Also...would your totally free market place allow for the provider who is willing to eliminate the competition to do so? Are would agree that regulating that is a pretty good idea????
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:24 am to ShortyRob
Get bean counters and middlemen out of healthcare so free market solutions can work.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:26 am to ShortyRob
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which ones? Those who can't afford or can't buy insurance? Or everyone who chooses not to insure themselves?
I personally think the former is a legitimate thing to discuss and speaking for myself I support coming up with ideas for how to assist those people. As for the latter I frankly don't give a f***. If they die because they're stupid then I suspect others will choose more wisely
I agree 100%...those who can't afford are one thing...those who can but refuse to do so are another altogether....but the provider can't distinguish between the two when they are sick and need treatment....it is determined after the fact...and then it is too late...you and I are then on the hook regardless of the persons status....the provider is not going to take it out of their end anymore than a gas station takes drive-offs out of their end...they pass the loss onto those who will pay....
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:26 am to ShortyRob
Single payer.
(ETA: Not my goal, but the uniparty's goal - once they can control your healthcare, they literally have a voice in who lives and who dies.)
(ETA: Not my goal, but the uniparty's goal - once they can control your healthcare, they literally have a voice in who lives and who dies.)
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 8:27 am
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:27 am to Cajun Cricket
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Redistribute wealth Increase governmental power Increase government dependence secure political votes
Pretty much.
Just watch how the lefties like BamaATLSJW frame single payer. She describes it as different than what the UK does. She wants you to believe that it will simply be Medicare for everyone. The doctors will still be independent.
All that does is reduce incentive for innovation and replace private admin services with public admin services and we all know that when gov gets bigger only good things happen, right.
If we go down the single payer rabbit hole it will eventually become the worlds largest employer. That's right. The US Health Plan will be the world's largest single employer eventually. They will eventually have to control the doctors and facilities to artificially control costs because never will the government ask the lazy to do better.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:27 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Complete and total free-market healthcare.
this is a proven winner from history(in other market sectors) & using Reagans philosohy, the Government just needs to get out of the way. The elites need to stop trying to "fix" it and just let the market handle things, completely. And thus it will never happen.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 8:28 am to ShortyRob
Universal, affordable coverage.
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