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re: What do you think a "human right" is?
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:09 am to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:09 am to PrimeTime Money
Healthcare is a COMMODITY!
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Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:11 am to PrimeTime Money
Protecting my body and my property from others. Except the government of course
This post was edited on 5/8/17 at 11:16 am
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:15 am to Wtodd
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Life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness
Yes, but even that can be misinterpreted to give more freebies away. I mean can you REALLY pursue happiness if you are hungry and homeless? Of course you can not.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:21 am to LSUcjb318
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Unless we are willing to turn people away that don't have health insurance, single payer is the best way to handle heath care.
If there is a state out there that wants to go first and be the proof of concept, by all means...
There is no reason the entire nation has to jump into this feet first at once.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:21 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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I mean can you REALLY pursue happiness if you are hungry and homeless? Of course you can not.
Oh you're still pursuing it. You're just failing at it.
Not my problem.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:22 am to PrimeTime Money
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What do you think a "human right" is?
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
That is the ultimate human right.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:24 am to WeeWee
The 2A is a human right but notice that doesn't mean guns are free. Even if healthcare is a right, which it isn't, that doesn't mean it's free.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:25 am to Machine
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Even if you believe we should have universal healthcare, it's still not a "right".
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this is the unalienable rights Jefferson spoke of in the DOI when he said "Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness"
healthcare being life.
Nonsense.
You are still alive even when you are ill.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:25 am to PrimeTime Money
I have a right to genetically engineered cat girls.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:29 am to Centinel
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Oh you're still pursuing it. You're just failing at it.
For the sake of argument, I will say that no you are not pursuing it. And quite frankly you are an idiot if you argue that a person who is homeless and hungry has any chance of pursuing happiness.
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Not my problem.
Actually, it IS your problem , because obviously we can't get rid of all of people's problems, but the fewer problems people have, the better off society as a whole is.
The problem is, liberals - and by the extension the government - simply don't differentiate between those who seriously need and would appreciate help and those who just want to leach off the system and frankly yes we do have some boneheaded conservatives who don't believe the taxpayers should be offering any help to anyone, so we're stuck in the rut of spending hundreds of millions of dollars and not really helping people.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:29 am to PrimeTime Money
Being a right is irrelevant. What is relevant is whether we want to provide for the general welfare of our citizens or not by offering health care for those who are not able to procure it on their own. Is it ok to spend billions on blowing up others across the globe while allowing a minority of our citizens to fall into bad health due to their inability to pay?
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:30 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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I mean can you REALLY pursue happiness if you are hungry and homeless? Of course you can not.
Nonsense.
Someone who is hungry and homeless can still pursue happiness.
I know I still pursued happiness when I was hungry and homeless.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:30 am to PrimeTime Money
That is a real fine question and am unsure if I have a clear cut answer. My gut tells me there is no inherent right.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:30 am to redfishfan
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The 2A is a human right but notice that doesn't mean guns are free. Even if healthcare is a right, which it isn't, that doesn't mean it's free.
MARCH FOR FREE AR15s THIS SATURDAY ON THE NATIONAL MALL!
Who's in?
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:33 am to Big12fan
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Being a right is irrelevant.
It most certainly is relevant.
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whether we want to provide for the general welfare of our citizens
Your premise is incorrect. You do not understand the meaning of this phrase.
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by offering health care for those who are not able to procure it on their own
Not a role of the national government. If states wish to do this, they are free to.
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Is it ok to spend billions on blowing up others across the globe while allowing a minority of our citizens to fall into bad health due to their inability to pay?
The first one we most certainly should not be doing, but it is at least within the realm of the purpose of national government. The second one is not the role of the national government.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:33 am to Big12fan
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Being a right is irrelevant.
I mean we already know that liberals don't care about rights, but how idiotic.
The federal government is clearly only supposed to have the powers enumerated to it in the COTUS, Meaning if Healthcare isn't a right, you don't have any reasonable expectation of receiving it from the government.
Oh also ,, we are talking about health INSURANCE , not health care. There is a difference.
In point of fact, healthcare itself has been a de facto right in this country for years. You show up to the ER with a medical problem, you are taken care of, regardless of ability to pay.
What we are now discussing is payment for said healthcare.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:37 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
When the era of TD ignore function is upon us, you will be among the first added to my list.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:38 am to MrCarton
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When the era of TD ignore function is upon us
This will be a sad day.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:40 am to MrCarton
Stupid is obviously a "right" because there always seems to be plenty of it...
Government is not in the business of granting rights or at least it should not be... Government exists to PROTECT rights, not give as much free shite away as possible...
Government is not in the business of granting rights or at least it should not be... Government exists to PROTECT rights, not give as much free shite away as possible...
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:41 am to MrCarton
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When the era of TD ignore function is upon us,
As much as the little proggy shits on this board make my blood boil sometimes, I'd never consider putting them on ignore.
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