re: Was Africa better off under European colonial rule?

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African slave trade was the worst thing ever to happen to America.

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Tell us how it could have been avoided.

And you are not allowed to get away with "because a whole bunch of people blame their current irresponsibility for things that happened to their great-grandfathers"

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African slave trade was the worst thing ever to happen to America

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Tell us how it could have been avoided

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THEY COULD'VE PICKED IT THEM frickING SELVES

A Marshall Plan in Africa would have worked about as well as LBJ's Great Society Plan in America. Just look at the results. The colonial system is returning to Africa: this time in the form of the Chinese and in some limited areas the Russians.

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I think reading up on King Leopold and the Congo would answer that question.

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so belgians only did bad things?? what about brits, french and dutch?

so natives woulda been better without modern education, engineering, medicine and agriculture. They wanted to stay hunter-gatherers in mud huts?

Stick with the first question first before you go off on a meaningless tangent.

In some places, perhaps "yes." The Belgian Congo, "no."

SO LIBTARDS LIED?? SHOCKED! we were told south africa and zimbabwe would be great now!

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The question is really whether that ongoing contact could have been better handled.

Would it have been possible to have something looking less like exploitation, genocide and enslavement

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Yes - of course that is the problem - and it can only be 'solved' by trying to undo the things that went wrong in prior approaches to solving the same problem.

My point is - there IS NO SCIENTIFIC plan for getting from point A to point B where
A = a continent full of prehistoric people
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B = a world where descendants of those prehistoric people are fully integrated happily within any later civilization without there having been many repeated horrible outcomes for some segment of either society.

The BEST that we can hope for is to evaluate current societal norms as civilization progresses and work to make things better for currently disadvantaged people to better themselves.

There is no place for reparations for generations old sins (no punishment for 'sins of our fathers')

Yes - it is a shitty situation for someone who was raised in a generationally destitute culture that can be traced to slavery. But it has now been 150 years since the slavery part was solved, and we did spend the reconstruction period making some very bad governing decisions that didn't seem to help EITHER side of the slavery issue. Had Lincoln lived, we MAY have had a better result from the reconstruction period.

BUT - the point is that NOW we are looking at the results of a half century experiment in trying to BRIBE the slave descendants (and anyone who may sorta look like they might have been) into becoming up to date with the normal progression of western civilization. (and that has been slowed by idiotic attempts to "stop widening the gap.")

My ancestry was booted out of Scotland during the clearances - and came to America penniless and indentured to work off the cost of passage. True - I have white skin. But - I am thinking that if I had black skin - with the exact same upbringing and training that I received, that there would not have been (certainly after 'great society') avenues opened up that could have made me a multi-millionaire by now.

I think that "affirmative action" was a great idea - but that is because I actually BELIEVED that there would be no 'quotas' - and THAT was because I believe Hubert Humphrey when the avowed that he would "eat my hat" if there ever was a semblance of such a thing.

I believed if even through I hated LBJ - and 'just knew' he was a scoundrel - but my mistake was that I thought he was just for personal corruption. I was unaware at the time of his own collaboration with the 'fundamental change' cultists that have given us Clinton, Obama, and now potatus as heirs. (yep - toss in the Bush's also)

I feel bad for the situation of blacks in America today - but I do not see any way to improve it until they themselves to come to the concusion that the Democrat party is still treating them like cattle. Use them when they need them for votes - or rioting to divert attention - etc but feed them just enough to keep them alive and needing more.

UNTIL a movement starts within the black community to STOP THE MADNESS - nothing that can be imposed by DEMOCRATs for 'white suprmacists' to do - or stop doing- will have any effect except prolonging the intolerable situation the black community suffers today.

I believe the onus lies within the corruption and irresponsibility of the DEMOCRAT party and their cohorts in this 'one world' movement. Have no idea who are the puppeteers behind the scene on that.

Wakanda has done pretty well.

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The descendants of slaves in the U.S. are definitely better off than if their ancestors had been left in Africa.

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I think this is accurate through Western eyes. Material possessions, standard of living, medicine etc.. there's no comparison to be made. But are they really better off when it comes to families and morals and things that make a society work? We talk about the collapse of the black family here and all of the detrimental effects it has, as we should. Sub-Saharan Africa is far from perfect in this area but they're light years ahead of where black America finds itself currently.