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US needs to stop allowing dual citizenship, you are either American only or not.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 8/3/17 at 1:51 pm
Really sick and tired of this. I heard this during my time at LSU a lot. Some students with dual citizenships saying they have a backup in case Trump got elected, how they are able to reap the rewards of two systems, etc. It's divided allegiance and should not be allowed.
If you want to move here (LEGALLY) and become an American, you need to be an American only. You can't be American citizen and a British citizen, American citizen and a South Korean citizen, an American citizen and an Egyptian citizen, etc.. You need to fully assimilate and dissolve all citizenship, loyalty, and allegiance to a foreign nation and leader. There are many countries that already do this and we should do the same. How do you think these big shots have a window for tax evasion and other stuff of that nature?
Also for permanent residents who are not citizens, and I saw a lot of professors who do this. They've been in the US for 5, 6, 10, or more years and refuse to become citizens, yet keep working here. You either need to go through naturalization after a certain amount of time or GET OUT. Don't want to be a citizen? Fine. Go home then.
If you want to move here (LEGALLY) and become an American, you need to be an American only. You can't be American citizen and a British citizen, American citizen and a South Korean citizen, an American citizen and an Egyptian citizen, etc.. You need to fully assimilate and dissolve all citizenship, loyalty, and allegiance to a foreign nation and leader. There are many countries that already do this and we should do the same. How do you think these big shots have a window for tax evasion and other stuff of that nature?
Also for permanent residents who are not citizens, and I saw a lot of professors who do this. They've been in the US for 5, 6, 10, or more years and refuse to become citizens, yet keep working here. You either need to go through naturalization after a certain amount of time or GET OUT. Don't want to be a citizen? Fine. Go home then.
This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 1:53 pm
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 1:59 pm to Parmen
Some countries won't let you renounce citizenship so you are, by default, dual citizens.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 2:01 pm to Parmen
Does the FLOTUS has dual citizenship?
This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 8/3/17 at 2:01 pm to Parmen
Trump should start with his wife.
It doesn't seem to bother him.
It doesn't seem to bother him.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 2:03 pm to Parmen
What about people who are born overseas to American parents? This whole idea of undying allegiance is just silly.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 2:04 pm to mahdragonz
this is dumb.
immigration would not even be an issue of the Democrats would agree to UPHOLD THE LAW that is currently on the books.
immigration would not even be an issue of the Democrats would agree to UPHOLD THE LAW that is currently on the books.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 2:04 pm to mahdragonz
quote:Well, that was a quick and summary dismissal.
Trump should start with his wife.
It doesn't seem to bother him.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 2:07 pm to Parmen
Well this is the dumbest Poli Board thread in at least 3 hours.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 2:09 pm to Parmen
I really don't see an issue with it. As long as a person contributes to society and pays their taxes, it doesn't make a difference to me.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 2:15 pm to Parmen
Technically, the US doesn't recognize dual citizenship. They will treat you solely as a US citizen regardless of other citizenship that you may possess. This is one of the reasons why the US taxes its citizens on worldwide income. If you're coming into the country, a US citizen must use his/her US passport. However, they do not disallow you from holding citizenship of another country (like some countries do). The US won't force you to renounce citizenship of another country. They just ignore any other citizenship that you may possess.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 2:17 pm to Parmen
This is dumb.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 2:19 pm to Parmen
Throw in the Jews and you've got something.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 2:21 pm to Parmen
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They've been in the US for 5, 6, 10, or more years and refuse to become citizens, yet keep working here. You either need to go through naturalization after a certain amount of time or GET OUT
And why is this a problem for our state or country? They have meaningful jobs, pay taxes, etc. Seems like a non-issue to me.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 3:25 pm to Wildcat In Germany
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What about people who are born overseas to American parents?
If was born just a year earlier I would have been a dual national by birth.
Sorry OP, but I would have worn that free college education in the EU to the ground.
This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 8/3/17 at 3:29 pm to Parmen
I don't think the US recognizes dual citizenship. It's really a question of whether other countries allow it for US citizens.
I know it seems sorta like a distinction without a difference but...
I know it seems sorta like a distinction without a difference but...
Posted on 8/3/17 at 3:37 pm to Parmen
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Really sick and tired of this. I heard this during my time at LSU a lot. Some students with dual citizenships saying they have a backup in case Trump got elected, how they are able to reap the rewards of two systems, etc. It's divided allegiance and should not be allowed.
Actually it's not really reaping any rewards other than being able to skip the visa process and own property/live in both countries. The downside is that if you are arrested in your 2nd country, the US state dept will cut you loose completely, as you are a citizen of the country you were arrested in. Personally I think it's a wash.
As far as divided allegiance: You have the same limits as non-citizens when it comes to clearance such as No-forn.
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If you want to move here (LEGALLY) and become an American, you need to be an American only. You can't be American citizen and a British citizen, American citizen and a South Korean citizen, an American citizen and an Egyptian citizen, etc.. You need to fully assimilate and dissolve all citizenship, loyalty, and allegiance to a foreign nation and leader. There are many countries that already do this and we should do the same. How do you think these big shots have a window for tax evasion and other stuff of that nature?
Not through dual citizenship. Actually, dual citizenship ensures they get taxed by the IRS, not helps them evade it.
And most people with dual citizenship have a parent or family in each country. It makes sense that they would have dual citizenship with a dad in Mexico and a mom in Florida, for ease of travel and life. We also only allow dual citizenship for certain countries. You cannot be a dual NK and US citizen.
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Also for permanent residents who are not citizens, and I saw a lot of professors who do this. They've been in the US for 5, 6, 10, or more years and refuse to become citizens, yet keep working here. You either need to go through naturalization after a certain amount of time or GET OUT. Don't want to be a citizen? Fine. Go home then.
Wrong again, and very common. Should Americans who retire to Mexico or Thailand be forced to get citizenship in those countries? How foolish to force them to drop their US citizenship and prevent any further US taxes from being collected.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 3:47 pm to Parmen
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Also for permanent residents who are not citizens, and I saw a lot of professors who do this. They've been in the US for 5, 6, 10, or more years and refuse to become citizens, yet keep working here. You either need to go through naturalization after a certain amount of time or GET OUT. Don't want to be a citizen? Fine. Go home then.
I think you'd have less cases of this if the US did not tax its citizens on worldwide income. Only the US and Eritrea does this. Even if one ends up not paying US income tax from foreign tax credits, it's an extra burden of filing an extra income tax return (for some expats living abroad it can be complicated and costly just to file the return).
As an aside, FATCA is a terrible law that I was hoping the Trump administration would eliminate. It can make banking as a US citizen living abroad difficult.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 3:55 pm to Parmen
quote:I don't think dual-citizenship implies divided allegiance, nor does some understandable connection to their home country mean they have less allegiance to the US. Regardless those views exists regardless of some government's legal designation.
It's divided allegiance and should not be allowed.
Besides, as LSUGrrrl pointed out, sometimes one can't just give up the citizenship. Even then, it's often a complicated and costly process. I'm not going to expect people to waste their time and money.
quote:As long as they are working, paying taxes, and providing value, what is the issue? They don't have the same rights as a citizen (can't vote, etc.), nor does permanent mean "indefinite."
Also for permanent residents who are not citizens, and I saw a lot of professors who do this. They've been in the US for 5, 6, 10, or more years and refuse to become citizens, yet keep working here. You either need to go through naturalization after a certain amount of time or GET OUT. Don't want to be a citizen?
Posted on 8/3/17 at 4:57 pm to Parmen
Of all things to have an issue with regarding our government, this is not one.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 6:00 pm to Parmen
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US needs to stop allowing dual citizenship, you are either American only or not. by Parmen
Really sick and tired of this. I heard this during my time at LSU a lot. Some students with dual citizenships saying they have a backup in case Trump got elected, how they are able to reap the rewards of two systems, etc. It's divided allegiance and should not be allowed
Who gives a flying fricking frick dude.
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