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re: Updates to Senate health care bill now posted: CBO score sometime after 3 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:15 pm to bamarep
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:15 pm to bamarep
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If the bill doesn't lower premiums and deductables I am vehemently against it.
you do know this is nothing but a tax cut for the wealthy, they, Republicans, dont give a damn about the health of the middle and poor classes here in the US and if you think this has anything to do with getting premiums and deductibles down you swallowed what Mitch and Paul are shovelin.
Why do they, Republicans, use the 'across state lines' as a talking point when there is no restrictions now for an insurance company to set up in any state....because its another lie the public swallows.
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:20 pm to Haughton99
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There is 0% chance this bill will lower premiums and deductibles. The protections for pre-existing conditions remain and the mandate is removed. This will guarantee increases in premiums and deductibles. It's math.
Yep, this is a non-partisan answer. Pre-existing conditions and the mandate have the biggest affect on premiums. This bill has both of these working against it. No way premiums go down.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:21 pm to TigerDoc
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Like that time CBO predicted the ACA would bring down the rate of the uninsured down to 11% by 2016 and it went down to 10.3
This is all you have.
Technically more people insured.. because they were mandated to buy care they couldn't afford. either that or face a fine. It's all manufactured numbers.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:29 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Good question and I don't know. Here's an article that attributes lower-than-expected ACA exchange enrollment to the individual mandate working less well than expected. Forbes It's plausible but I don't know if it's true or how big a factor it was.
A hypothesis I have is related to something I heard Obama say at the end of his term. He said that he'd have like to have made the subsidies for insurance on the exchanges more generous, but couldn't based on the politics of what his caucus was willing to vote for. With more generous subsidies more people would've probably bought policies and probably fewer enrolled in medicaid.
That's above my pay grade, though.
To bring this back to politics, I read an interesting piece in which a healthcare reporter interviewed Kentucky Obamacare enrollees about their decision to vote for Trump. A lot of them expressed resentment at people poorer than them getting medicaid with its minimum cost-sharing while they themselves were stuck with deductibles and premiums. Essentially, they thought they'd try to see if Trump could get them a better deal, but it looks like if Ryan and McConnell get their way, some of them will get priced out of the market.
Why did Obamacare Enrollees Vote for Trump?
A hypothesis I have is related to something I heard Obama say at the end of his term. He said that he'd have like to have made the subsidies for insurance on the exchanges more generous, but couldn't based on the politics of what his caucus was willing to vote for. With more generous subsidies more people would've probably bought policies and probably fewer enrolled in medicaid.
That's above my pay grade, though.
To bring this back to politics, I read an interesting piece in which a healthcare reporter interviewed Kentucky Obamacare enrollees about their decision to vote for Trump. A lot of them expressed resentment at people poorer than them getting medicaid with its minimum cost-sharing while they themselves were stuck with deductibles and premiums. Essentially, they thought they'd try to see if Trump could get them a better deal, but it looks like if Ryan and McConnell get their way, some of them will get priced out of the market.
Why did Obamacare Enrollees Vote for Trump?
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:30 pm to Haughton99
You are twisting things. Why?
While You Sleep: 1:00 AM Monday Vote Set on Obamacare
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While You Sleep: 1:00 AM Monday Vote Set on Obamacare
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Obama every legislation will be gone through line by line and posted online
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:37 pm to 225bred
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This is all you have. Technically more people insured.. because they were mandated to buy care they couldn't afford. either that or face a fine. It's all manufactured numbers.
I'm not sure what your criticism is. CBO didn't devise the individual mandate. CBO is just a bunch of budget specialists who are asked to estimate the effects of legislation. If you want to claim they're doing that poorly, post some counter-examples. If you're irked with the mandate, that's fine, but take that up with the Congressmen and Senators that enacted the legislation.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:49 pm to 225bred
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This is all you have.
Technically more people insured.. because they were mandated to buy care they couldn't afford. either that or face a fine. It's all manufactured numbers.
They were the most accurate forecaster on the ACA.
But here's an interesting challenge. Do you know how the CBO director is appointed?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:54 pm to cajunangelle
This bill needs to fail.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:58 pm to cajunangelle
I'm waiting for Pelosi to say Bush's new bill will kill 500 million Americans per day.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:00 pm to Cruiserhog
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they, Politicians, dont give a damn about the health of the middle and poor classes here in the US
FIFY
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:04 pm to cajunangelle
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At least they are posting it online and not sneaking it in in the middle of the night like Ocare was...
If you go do a little research on that, you will be embarrassed that you would post something that idiotic.
The republicans senators are passing the bill using reconciliation, which allows them to drastically restrict debate and amendments on the bill, effectively taking away time for lawmakers investigate the effects of the bill before it gets enacted into law.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:10 pm to 225bred
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Guys, the CBO IS the Swamp. It's wrong every time by massive margins.
It's a good strategy Trump has working to persuade the uninformed.
Any report that might be released that could be used to criticize a new Trump policy is discredited before it is even released.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:05 pm to cajunangelle
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:09 pm to Cruiserhog
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you do know this is nothing but a tax cut for the wealthy
How exactly? Does it lower tax rates for people above a certain income?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:26 pm to Bluefin
22 million uninsured according to CBO.
Cuts the federal deficit by $321 billion over 10 years.
Cuts the federal deficit by $321 billion over 10 years.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:32 pm to Bluefin
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22 million uninsured according to CBO.
Cuts the federal deficit by $321 billion over 10 years.
Also, $200 billion more in net savings than House bill.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:47 pm to rds dc
A drizzle in the bucket when you are simultaneously proposing trillions in deficit spending to fund your tax plan and budget.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:49 pm to rds dc
If it's like past reports on the bill(which I suspect it is)
That is achieved because you are kicking older and unhealthy people out of the market and the reduction in subsidies and mandated benefits will lead to higher deductibles and sparser coverage.
The total context is important.
That is achieved because you are kicking older and unhealthy people out of the market and the reduction in subsidies and mandated benefits will lead to higher deductibles and sparser coverage.
The total context is important.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:43 pm to bonhoeffer45
We'll, until somebody shows me a side by side comparison between what we might have if we left Obamacare in place in 2018 versus comparable benefits/plan with same deductibles and copays, there is no way to say whether there is any improvement or detriment to what's in place. Unless someone's lying about the loss of insurers to offer Obamacare going forward, there appears to be nothing to compare to the new proposal offered by the Republicans.
Why all the smoke and mirrors? I'm a pragmatic conservative who simply wants to know the facts and also have a choice on whether I buy coverage. I've been self pay the past 2 years due to the hefty premiums and deductibles and copays of Obamacare, but also due to pure principal of freedom of choice. It sucks that those who refused Obamacare are now those who would get shut out of immediate coverage under free choice.
Why all the smoke and mirrors? I'm a pragmatic conservative who simply wants to know the facts and also have a choice on whether I buy coverage. I've been self pay the past 2 years due to the hefty premiums and deductibles and copays of Obamacare, but also due to pure principal of freedom of choice. It sucks that those who refused Obamacare are now those who would get shut out of immediate coverage under free choice.
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