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Updates to Senate health care bill now posted: CBO score sometime after 3 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:33 pm
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Chad Pergram? Verified account @ChadPergram 28 minutes ago
Updates to Senate health care bill now posted https://www.budget.senate.gov/bettercare
Chad Pergram ?Verified account @ChadPergram 7 minutes ago
Expect CBO score on Senate health care bill today sometime after 3 pm et
Chad Pergram?Verified account @ChadPergram 2 hours ago
Expect a slightly revised health care bill for the Senate today. CBO score still coming
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:34 pm to cajunangelle
Guys, the CBO IS the Swamp. It's wrong every time by massive margins.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:36 pm to 225bred
Yep... RARELY do they come close to being right.
If the bill doesn't lower premiums and deductables I am vehemently against it.
If the bill doesn't lower premiums and deductables I am vehemently against it.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:36 pm to cajunangelle
Who cares? Dems will screech that it'll murder millions of innocent poors regardless of what's in the bill.
That's all they ever do anymore.
That's all they ever do anymore.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:40 pm to 225bred
I agree. I also can easily call out democrats and republicans as being mostly the swamp (with the exception of a handful or so)
At least they are posting it online and not sneaking it in in the middle of the night like Ocare was...
At least they are posting it online and not sneaking it in in the middle of the night like Ocare was...
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:46 pm to cajunangelle
Small change to the first draft of the bill per the updated version.
Any person who has a lapse in coverage for more than 63 days over the past year will be put in a 6 month freeze from enrolling in a new plan.
We'll see if this is incentive enough for healthy individuals to maintain coverage, but doubt it moves the needle much with the CBO score.
Any person who has a lapse in coverage for more than 63 days over the past year will be put in a 6 month freeze from enrolling in a new plan.
We'll see if this is incentive enough for healthy individuals to maintain coverage, but doubt it moves the needle much with the CBO score.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:46 pm to 225bred
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Guys, the CBO IS the Swamp. It's wrong every time by massive margins.
Right. Like that time CBO predicted the ACA would bring down the rate of the uninsured down to 11% by 2016 and it went down to 10.3% instead.
Massive margin.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:47 pm to bamarep
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If the bill doesn't lower premiums and deductables I am vehemently against it.
There is 0% chance this bill will lower premiums and deductibles. The protections for pre-existing conditions remain and the mandate is removed. This will guarantee increases in premiums and deductibles. It's math.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:48 pm to Haughton99
Over/Under that the Senate Bill passes.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:48 pm to TigerDoc
To be fair Doc, it did miss on some other predictions not related to the number of insured, such as enrollment rates and costs.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:49 pm to Bluefin
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We'll see if this is incentive enough for healthy individuals to maintain coverage
if the tax didn't why would this?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:50 pm to TigerDoc
Tell us what they said about premiums and budgets
When one makes a lot of predictions being completely wrong about all of them is as statistically unlikely as being right on all of them
When one makes a lot of predictions being completely wrong about all of them is as statistically unlikely as being right on all of them
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:51 pm to cajunangelle
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At least they are posting it online and not sneaking it in in the middle of the night like Ocare was...
How can you be so divorced from reality. Obamacare had massive problems but it also went through massive debate in congress. Republicans offered tons of amendments. Many hearing were held. The Rs just didn't have the votes to stop it.
No reason to tell a giant lie to try to justify what the Rs are doing now.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:54 pm to bayou2
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Over/Under that the Senate Bill passes.
50/50 I think. They'll probably throw pork at the holdouts to get them to vote for it. Remember what the Dems did to get Landrieu's vote in 09?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:55 pm to 225bred
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Guys, the CBO IS the Swamp. It's wrong every time by massive margins.
this.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:56 pm to Haughton99
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There is 0% chance this bill will lower premiums and deductibles. The protections for pre-existing conditions remain and the mandate is removed. This will guarantee increases in premiums and deductibles.
Not necessarily.
With the Stability Fund that is being put in place for the next 3 years, insurance companies will receive payments from states for the purpose of reinsurance. If it is used like the language implies, there will be a modicum of stability and premiums could lower. That's pretty much it, though.
Not much hope for deductibles.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:58 pm to Hawkeye95
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if the tax didn't why would this?
Ironically, they'd have to message it the same way Obamacare was messaged:
You never know what could happen and need coverage. Six months without being able to get insurance could be problematic.
It's not going to work, but I don't know how the CBO might perceive it.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:59 pm to Bluefin
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With the Stability Fund that is being put in place for the next 3 years, insurance companies will receive payments from states for the purpose of reinsurance. If it is used like the language implies, there will be a modicum of stability and premiums could lower. That's pretty much it, though.
The good ole taxpayer gift to make sure insurance companies can be profitable without premiums skyrocketing because the Republicans just jacked everything up worse than it was before.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:00 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
with regard to coverage, CBO erred in estimating where the uninsured would get covered - they overestimated the number on the exchanges and underestimated the number enrolled through medicaid expansion (and would have underestimated this further if Republican states hadn't been allowed to opt out the enrollment by the first supreme court challenge).
Since Medicaid is cheaper insurance than the policies on the exchanges, it ended up being cheaper than predicted.
CNN
Since Medicaid is cheaper insurance than the policies on the exchanges, it ended up being cheaper than predicted.
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Because there are fewer people on the exchanges, CBO overestimated how much the law's coverage provisions would cost overall. Originally, it expected the net cost would be $132 billion in 2016. However, it lowered that estimate to $110 billion in the estimate it released last year.
CNN
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:03 pm to TigerDoc
I honestly don't get why nearly every state underestimated medicaid enrollment numbers. Why couldn't tthey have just assumed that anyone who qualified for expanded medicaid would take it, and set their projection at that? We have income data for every household, so it wouldn't have been hard to figure out who would qualify,
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