re: 'Universal' health care will NEVER work

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However, the "dying in the streets" scenario is untenable to just about everyone outside of the listens to Rush/thinks Ayn Rand had good ideas crowd, which is a small minority.

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People have never died in the streets in this country. But I can tell you where they have.... Socialist countries.

Not sure what you are asking for here? We have "free" emergency care in the US, we currently do not entertain this scenario because society doesn't want "dying in the streets"

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What do you know about the Yellow Fever epidemic in New Orleans? People were literally dying in the streets.

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Don't be intentionally obtuse. You know the point I was making.

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This argument works until it's your health that goes bad.

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Not if he pays his own bills.

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Anoher one that doesn't know what insurance is.

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amazing isn't it?

They continually describe collective mutual aid. As if they have some new concept. "Risk pooling" they exclaim.

Seemingly ignorant that "risk pooling" in the form of everyone putting in a pot and whoever got sick took what the needed from it was once very prevalent in this country. Fraternal organizations (like elks lodges), labor unions, and Blue Cross (or maybe BlueShield, I can't remember) were like this. Very popular in the 1930s-1960s.

Then almost completely abandoned. Why? Because while it was nice if you had a 50 person lodge and you got sick you only had to pay 1/50th of the bill. But... there were 49 other people with about the same odds and expenses as you. So... multiplying 1/50 x the other 49 people... was about the same as paying for it yourself!

The practice was almost completely abandonced by the 1970s in favor of ACTUARIAL based (and priced) insurance because it was so fantastically cheaper for damn near everybody--except those already sick.

Now liberals want to resurrect the already failed concept of collectivism - - except, they want to add people FAR MORE LIKELY to need healthcare, and expensive care at that, than you to your "pool".

Even Ray Charles could see that math doesn't work out to cheaper than just paying for yourself.

It's great to be able to stick your bills to your neighbors. People love this part of "risk pooling". But those neighbors can stick you with their bills, too. People forget about that part.

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Not if he pays his own bills.

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And if his bills go up because everyone in his pool starts getting really sick, do you think he will care?

Before you start assuming I know nothing about this, let's start with how much about actuarial statistics and stochastic modeling you understand.

Medicare for every legal citizen birth to grave. $200.00/year per person then each can go buy their own seconday or supplemental and pharmacy benefits from the private sector.

Saves $ and will work.

Consider that Medicare is a type of universal health care, but only for a certain group. It works. Why would it not work for the whole of the US?