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re: Trying to Disarm a Police Officer

Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:38 pm to
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:38 pm to
quote:

I'm 47 years old and have never had a negative experience with law enforcement. I've had my fair share of speeding tickets but it's amazing how smoothly these go when you respond with "yes sir" and "no sir"


You've made it clear that you now down before the one you serve. So not surprising.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:40 pm to
quote:

Again, yours?


Plain language and common law...but as I said above AL is nearly a century behind.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19430 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:42 am to
quote:



quote:

You've made it clear that you now down before the one you serve. So not surprising.


Not really, I just don't act like a TPOS or break any laws that would put me in a "negative" altercation with the police. It's really not hard if you try............
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98171 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:51 am to
quote:

I'm 47 years old and have never had a negative experience with law enforcement. I've had my fair share of speeding tickets but it's amazing how smoothly these go when you respond with "yes sir" and "no sir"


I had a cop pull me over for running a stop sign (there was no stop sign in the direction I was going,) and literally try to provoke me into taking a swing at him. OTOH, the last time I got pulled over, the guy just ran my license, came back and said, "have a nice day." You never know what you're going to get.

I don't hate cops, but I don't deify them. When you have the legally sanctioned power of life and death in your hands, you ought to be held to a higher standard, and too often, they're not. And many of them seem to have adopted way too much of an Us vs Them mentality in the past few years. Everybody's a TPOS until proven otherwise.

ETA, not to mention the apparent SOP of shooting any dog that crosses their path.
This post was edited on 8/16/14 at 5:56 am
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 8:35 am to
Common law is case law, and you have yet to cite a single case.
Posted by Zamoro10
Member since Jul 2008
14743 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 10:49 am to
For phuck sake - go back back to Nazi Germany you psychopath.

I really hope you aren't a police office for the public's sake.
This post was edited on 8/16/14 at 10:50 am
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 10:52 am to
sir and ma'am? And you're 47? What a lackey. How anyone can have respect for you is beyond me
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
81570 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 10:56 am to
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I don't care if you're 18, 38, or 58, if you put your hand on the firearm of a police officer, you deserve to die.


No, you deserve the professionally trained police officer to competently (and without a spirit of retribution/revenge) deal with the situation using the absolute minimal force required.

Your attitude is a huge part of the problem.
This post was edited on 8/16/14 at 10:57 am
Posted by Sl4m
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2012
3717 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 11:26 am to
Yea just politely ask the civilian to remove his hand off the officers firearm. That should do the trick.



Which Disney film are you living in?

Posted by Projectpat
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
10521 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 12:09 pm to
quote:

Not really, I just don't act like a TPOS or break any laws that would put me in a "negative" altercation with the police. It's really not hard if you try............


It was obvious from post 1 that you blindly support any police action, but this statement just ups the level. The fact that anyone still holds this sentiment pisses me off beyond belief. You're either willfully ignoring all the cases of police altercations with completely innocent people based on their incorrect assumptions or flat out mistakes or you're just somehow lucky enough to have missed all these stories.
Posted by Projectpat
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
10521 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 12:11 pm to
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Yea just politely ask the civilian to remove his hand off the officers firearm. That should do the trick


This case involves a guy who was far away from him and gunned down. Maybe at least learn the details of this situation before you bust out the 's
Posted by Sl4m
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2012
3717 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 12:46 pm to
Maybe don't go for a gun. Do you even logic Brah?

Posted by Projectpat
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
10521 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 12:52 pm to
You're obviously an intelligent fellow. I'll just back off now and save myself some time.
Posted by Sl4m
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2012
3717 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 12:58 pm to
You read my mind.

Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19430 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 2:07 pm to
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It was obvious from post 1 that you blindly support any police action, but this statement just ups the level. The fact that anyone still holds this sentiment pisses me off beyond belief. You're either willfully ignoring all the cases of police altercations with completely innocent people based on their incorrect assumptions or flat out mistakes or you're just somehow lucky enough to have missed all these stories.


Let me tell you what I have done so we can compare notes. I've raised three kids, put them through college and watched them become productive, tax paying members of society. NO, I don't always agree with what the police do, especially in cases where they bust into someones home, uninvited and wind up killing an innocent person. So, you've jumped to a conclusion that is completely false. Now go ahead and tell me how insignificant it is that I raised three quality kids, have had the same job for 20 years, go to Church, pay my taxes and have never been arrested. I know that doesn't fit your "no justice, no peace" view of America.

But this kid got his arse in a jam for doing something that i was able to convince my children to never do......steal and physically assault someone. Keep protecting this loser. I bet you also think that it's law enforcement's fault that they are looting their own town as well?
Posted by plex
Argentina
Member since Nov 2013
111 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 4:04 pm to
quote:

MSMHater


Give us your thoughts on the MSM's portrayal of this situation.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
81570 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 11:49 am to
quote:

Yea just politely ask the civilian to remove his hand off the officers firearm. That should do the trick.



Which Disney film are you living in?


You don't think there's a middle ground between this and the officer slaying somebody who tries to grab his gun?

How about slapping the hand away and using a nightstick on the obviously unarmed perp?

How about slapping the hand away and firing warning shots at the perp?

How about slapping the hand away and shooting a shot into the perp's lower extremities?

Any of these are viable and rational responses. Shooting multiple times to kill is insane. The fact that you and many others defend such a murder is insane.

Police should very rarely kill civilians. Police should almost NEVER kill unarmed civilians.
This post was edited on 8/17/14 at 11:50 am
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:00 pm to
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And if you don't get his weapon and give up trying and try to escape, you should be immediately shot?


I don't know. But I'm pretty sure the cop is justified to use more extreme measures than just starting a pursuit and risk letting him get away. He attempted to take a cop's gun, that isn't the same as purse-snatching.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48301 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 1:13 pm to
quote:

I'm usually anti cops.

Not in this case though. As far as I'm concerned, if you go after a cops gun, he has every right to shoot you dead. IMO, the dude attempted murder when he went for the gun. At that point, someone is gonna die. Namely whoever gets the gun.


"Going for the gun" really isn't an issue. Nearly every piece of evidence points to Brown being shot at a moderate distance. The issue seems to be whether he was engaging the officer or if he was fleeing or submitting.
Posted by fleaux
section 0
Member since Aug 2012
8741 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 1:18 pm to
Im sorry, but someone who is 6'4" and 290 and aggressive doesnt need a weapon to be considered "armed"
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