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re: Trying to Disarm a Police Officer
Posted on 8/15/14 at 3:34 pm to geauxbrown
Posted on 8/15/14 at 3:34 pm to geauxbrown
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If you touch an officers gun, you have no good intention
that's a stupid absolute...if an officer is about to shoot me, I most certainly do...I enjoy life. You're assuming there is NEVER a situation where a cop uses lethal force inappropriately which I hate to break it to you, is not the case.
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What other reason would anyone have for trying to disarm a police officer
to avoid dying
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Everyone knows it's the quickest way to get shot and killed.
actually, as someone just pointed out, the quickest way to do that is kicking in the door of a private residence in the middle of the night.
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Posted on 8/15/14 at 3:37 pm to geauxbrown
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Yes he did, he had already responded to a "sick" call and then was informed of the robbery
not according to his dept.
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And as for your statute, what judge would convict a police officer of shooting someone who tried to take their gun from them.
not even close to what you posted
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And none of your fricking bueinsess who my friend was. It happened in MS in the late 80's
quote:Que? Mr. tough Guy
bueinsess
Posted on 8/15/14 at 3:37 pm to geauxbrown
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I just find it hard to believe the way folks have piled on the police force there. Are they perfect no, but when you consider the number of confrontations they police have across this country each day, I'd say there record is pretty damned good.
Since only one side has historically been seen as credible, I don't put much stock in it.
Most cops aren't bad. But there are enough shitty ones and enough departments with crappy policy that the power of local and federal law enforcement over the citizen needs to be scaled back.
Full time working cams would protect both the public and the officer. I think it would be a good start. There's a reason Law Enforcement has lost tremendous respect in the public eye and that reason is the explosion of personal cameras and social media, which captures and exposes behavior that previously was based on hearsay.
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 8/15/14 at 3:48 pm to geauxbrown
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Again, if he shot this kid, trying to escape over $50 worth of cheap cigars, he doesn't need to be a police officer and needs to held accountable
ok, I mean the OP is kind of definitive so I just wanted to make sure I understood you. That is reasonable.
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hard to believe the way folks have piled on the police force there
I don't think one opinion or another on what happened is unreasonable; however, to say the police force in ferguson has handled this incompetently while displaying a show of force that is unnecessary, inappropriate, and suspicious (as to the innocence of the officer involved) is the understatement of the fricking century.
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the number of confrontations they police have across this country each day, I'd say there record is pretty damned good.
I've had TWO positive interactions among what 15 direct interactions...cops are fricking dicks...nothing about interacting with them is pleasant...a situation where the citizen is hurling f bombs at them is rare because we know they're dicks, they're armed, and they have little man syndrome (i.e. they'll take a small thing and escalate it beyond belief)
people don't step out of line when they're afraid...so bravo law enforcement...you're terrifying the citizenry
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Also, I'm not sure how people expect them not to protect themselves during these riots
they already have guns, vests, batons, cars and dogs...and dressing like that only escalates the situation. They're already equipped enough to handle it.
quote:I'm not saying about how they act in response to a riot...I'm talking about how they equip themselves and the "super bad arse" way they dress. police departments aren't oblivious to this.
hat do you do, stand there while someone has a gas bomb and do nothing?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 3:48 pm to geauxbrown
Police can shoot to defend himself from being disarmed, not 30 feet away while suspect fleeing.
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 8/15/14 at 3:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Most cops aren't bad
most people aren't bad, but most people aren't given a "do whatever the frick I want" badge
Posted on 8/15/14 at 3:52 pm to cwill
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You have to be a cop
This
Posted on 8/15/14 at 3:53 pm to DelU249
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most people aren't bad, but most people aren't given a "do whatever the frick I want" badge
Taking one line out of a quote, and somewhat out of context is lame.
Read the whole quote.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 3:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I liked your post
I was just chiming in
I was just chiming in
Posted on 8/15/14 at 3:59 pm to DelU249
Posted on 8/15/14 at 4:23 pm to cwill
I'm usually anti cops.
Not in this case though. As far as I'm concerned, if you go after a cops gun, he has every right to shoot you dead. IMO, the dude attempted murder when he went for the gun. At that point, someone is gonna die. Namely whoever gets the gun.
Not in this case though. As far as I'm concerned, if you go after a cops gun, he has every right to shoot you dead. IMO, the dude attempted murder when he went for the gun. At that point, someone is gonna die. Namely whoever gets the gun.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 4:28 pm to geauxbrown
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I don't care if you're 18, 38, or 58, if you put your hand on the firearm of a police officer, you deserve to die.
So if you touch a cop's gun does that mean the cop can cuff you and take you back to his place and kill you there, maybe invite some of his friends over to watch?
Or is there a time limit?
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. You folks on here that keep puking up these comments about how this police officer shot and killed an unarmed kid are full of crap. I promise you if you were in the process of arresting this kid, who we now know had robbed a store and was going to be taken into custody, tried to take your weapon, you'd would do everything in your power to protect yourself.
Like shooting him in the back as he runs away and then, after he turns, as he begs for his life?
No, I wouldn't do that.
BTW - can you please link to the finding of fact that Brown tried to take his gun?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 4:39 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Like shooting him in the back as he runs away and then, after he turns, as he begs for his life? No, I wouldn't do that.
BTW - can you please link to the finding of fact that Brown tried to take his gun?
I will as soon as you link to the finding of fact that he was shot in the back
Posted on 8/15/14 at 4:42 pm to DelU249
I'll put it this way,
If I am out n about carrying my firearm and someone tries to take it from me physically and they fail, there is going to be a price to pay. Meaning I'm going to take it as an attempt to kill me and therefore, I'm gonna try and kill you.
If I am out n about carrying my firearm and someone tries to take it from me physically and they fail, there is going to be a price to pay. Meaning I'm going to take it as an attempt to kill me and therefore, I'm gonna try and kill you.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 4:45 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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am out n about carrying my firearm and someone tries to take it from me physically and they fail, there is going to be a price to pay. Meaning I'm going to take it as an attempt to kill me and therefore, I'm gonna try and kill you.
same here, but that's a lot different then saying if you ever for any reason touch a police officers gun (as if they're special in this regard) then you deserve to die
Posted on 8/15/14 at 4:47 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
I'm not going to shoot someone in the back that is fleeing.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 4:50 pm to DelU249
Not just for touching it obviously.
But if the facts are (and we may never really know the truth) if thedude tried to take the cops gun away from the cop, I have no problem with the cop shooting him down if he tried to run after failing to get the gun.
Now, if he dropped to the ground immediately after right in front of the cop saying he surrenders, can't shoot him.
But if the facts are (and we may never really know the truth) if thedude tried to take the cops gun away from the cop, I have no problem with the cop shooting him down if he tried to run after failing to get the gun.
Now, if he dropped to the ground immediately after right in front of the cop saying he surrenders, can't shoot him.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 4:50 pm to geauxbrown
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I don't care if you're 18, 38, or 58, if you put your hand on the firearm of a police officer, you deserve to die
Cops are humans, and they sometimes operate beyond the boundaries of the law either willingly or by mistake. There are certainly exceptions to your statement.
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 8/15/14 at 4:53 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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I have no problem with the cop shooting him down if he tried to run after failing to get the gun.
I do. The gun exists to protect his life and others only when a threat is present and the person has opportunity, capability and intent
at the moment he is running, none of those elements are in play
and I don't know if he was running or what the frick happened because I don't believe the eye witness for a second
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 8/15/14 at 4:54 pm to cwill
I might shoot someone in the back who is fleeing. In fact I probably would if I felt like they had just tried to kill me by going for a gun I had. Probably just once to try and take them down though.
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 4:56 pm
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