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re: Trump upset that free press is free "frankly disgusting"

Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:40 pm to
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:40 pm to
quote:

List for me the politicians that have successfully won a lawsuit? And not just a retraction on page 8



They usually don't try. You know, like Trump. Who claims he's lied about more than he is lied about.

Which is, you know, also lying.

By all means, Donald, go after those who lie about you. I fully support him as to actual lies.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:40 pm to
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I’d ask the same thing from you regarding the mainstream media. EXACT lies.




Hillary will be President.
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:41 pm to
Dude, this is one the 'the lies'
quote:

“Obamacare is a disaster. It’s failing badly. You look at the rates. You look at what’s happening with premiums for people. They can’t afford Obamacare. It’s been a catastrophic situation.”

How can you believe a lie fact checker, that blatantly lies????
quote:

States Where Obamacare Premiums Will Rise More Than 50%:

Its pretty damn factual
Posted by Pettifogger
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Member since Feb 2012
79202 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:41 pm to
Several people close to Trump have told @gabrielsherman that Trump is "unstable," "losing a step," and "unraveling."

Here's one

File.The. Suit.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:43 pm to
Barry Goldwater.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140424 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:44 pm to
Your WaPo fact checker is hilarious.

Right off the bat regarding the wind speed.



This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 3:34 pm
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:47 pm to
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If someone lies about me, i can take them to court for slander. The shite these papers are printing at times borders on slander.


Bingo. Which is what Trump is referring to here. But of course, the resident liberal progs take this and run that he wants to censor free speech.

Blatant, intentional lies and misleading the American people have no place in our society. People trust the press.
Posted by asurob1
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:48 pm to
I have high hope so that trump pulls nbc’s license. We will enter the game over phase of his belly flop
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:50 pm to
You're not wrong as to the press.

The problem, of course, is that Trump and Trump supporters are also dishonest. While the press should be held to a higher standard, a sometimes dishonest group of extremely loyal Trump supporters probably isn't a reliable check on the honesty of media if we're going to bestow them with the authority to censor or restrict.
Posted by Mephistopheles
Member since Aug 2007
8328 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:50 pm to
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Even a democracy like the UK has libel laws. That are followed


The libel laws in the UK are much tougher on the media and yet the British tabloid media is way more vicious than most of the media here, and they're full of shite a lot of the time.

But they get away with it because high priced lawyers are good at their jobs.

For many years large companies like McDonald's were using British libel laws and the ruinous cost of defending accusations of libel to basically crush anyone who exposed them. It's a problem.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38783 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:51 pm to
Is it really Free if we don't take advantage of it, and just schill for Dems?
Posted by indianswim
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:54 pm to
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20MuleTeam


Another hard-hitting, thought-provoking post from 20MuleTeam.

Posted by Mephistopheles
Member since Aug 2007
8328 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:57 pm to
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If it's factual, then prove it. If it's opinion, then it needs to be labeled so.

If someone lies about me, i can take them to court for slander. The shite these papers are printing at times borders on slander


They'd have to be maliciously and knowingly slandering in Trump's case. He's a public figure.
Posted by Ted2010
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:57 pm to
Trump really comes off as a huge baby at times.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57681 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:04 pm to
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They'd have to be maliciously and knowingly slandering in Trump's case.


This is exactly what is happening. The media doesn’t like that they’re being called out, and they are retaliating by putting out misleading stories and/or bold faced lies about a sitting president.

There’s a point when it jumps from legit criticism to lies/libel/slander.

A lot of the stories they put out are teetering on the edge of that line.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 3:04 pm
Posted by Mephistopheles
Member since Aug 2007
8328 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:04 pm to
Ok, sounds fun. Let's agree on what a lie is first.

"You can keep your doctor"

If he genuinely knew and understood that many people couldn't keep their doctors, that's a lie.

If he believed that it was true, with reason, but then unforeseeable factors affected things, that's not a lie.

If something looked to be true then didn't end up being correct because of foreseeable likely factors, IMO you can call that a lie but a better term is dishonest.

If he was just genuinely clueless, that's not a lie.

If he was failing to talk in an absolute manner, i.e. 99.999% of people can keep their doctors, that's not a lie.

I'll find some Trump statements...


This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 3:06 pm
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
40133 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:05 pm to
quote:

Trump upset that free press is free "frankly disgusting"




Wrong!


He's upset that the press is fake.
Posted by AUbused
Member since Dec 2013
7771 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:09 pm to
Trump is a good chrisian. He is so persecute.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
15309 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:28 pm to
Its one thing to freely discuss opinions as opinions. Its a whole another thing to pass out right lies as truthful news. The latter is the state of today's propaganda media.

Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140424 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 3:36 pm to
I don't know how anyone can watch CNN and not completely ignore them considering their lie of a mission/vision statement.

They can't even refrain from lying about their own objectivity.

quote:

CNN strives to provide the most neutral and unbiased stories to our audience so that they can obtain the most accurate information. We consider a range of varying perspectives and treat controversial subjects, as well as all other subjects, with impartiality.


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