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re: Trump upset that free press is free "frankly disgusting"

Posted on 10/11/17 at 5:49 pm to
Posted by Jeff Boomhauer
Arlen, TX
Member since Jun 2016
3552 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 5:49 pm to
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My target is not Trump, never has been

It's the people who will change their entire ideology from day to day based on his tweets

Posted by TigersFan64
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
4755 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 5:52 pm to
Trumptards naturally think any media outlet that exposes Trump for the lying incompetent moron that he is should be muzzled. You people really are no different morally from the brownshirts who shut down newspapers in Germany that opposed the Nazis during the 1930's.

What's REALLY laughable is that a Trumptard like you actually believes Fox (Faux) News, breitbart.com, NY Post and Rush Limbaugh constitute a truly free and independent press. And whiny-butt Trump is screeching about "taking away NBC's license." Just goes to show what a spoiled, entitled, narcissitic horse's arse Trump is.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 5:53 pm
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90617 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 5:53 pm to
Actually all of this fake news shite didn't start until Obama and congress repealed that law that the press can't use propaganda against American citizens
Posted by TigersFan64
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
4755 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 5:55 pm to
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Actually all of this fake news shite didn't start until Obama and congress repealed that law that the press can't use propaganda against American citizens




You lying Trumptards just kill me. You are to the point where you just make shite up.
Posted by Jeff Boomhauer
Arlen, TX
Member since Jun 2016
3552 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 5:57 pm to
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For instance....any freaking "leak" that's been put out there and reported. I would call their bluff, say its a lie, take them to court and demand them to prove it. Efff that "can't disclose my sources" BS.


So why hasn't trump done this? Let's start with the SoS calling trump a moron leak. Why don't trump and tillerson file suit and force the reporter to reveal his sources. But, lets raise the stakes. If it turns out to be true and tillerson did call trump a moron then they both resign. Do you think they would take that gamble?
Posted by Jpace20171
Member since Oct 2017
9 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 5:57 pm to
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If someone lies about me, I can take them to court for slander


You can take someone to court for virtually anything. Wether or not you win is another story. To successfully prove/win a slander suit, criteria must be met: a) the statement must be false, b) the statement must cause damages, c) you must prove you suffered from those damages and d) the author of the statement must have acted recklessly.

For example: let's say you're name is Joe Smith, you own a plumbing company in town and someone named John Smith commits a brutal murder. A news station carelessly reports 'Joe Smith, a local plumber, commits murder' and as a result you go bankrupt (because everyone thinks you're a murder and clearly nobody wants to do business with a murder). That's slander.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 6:04 pm to
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Lying is lying...


If this board teaches you nothing else, it teaches you that lying/truth has become subjective/partisan. That's unfortunate, but, I think at this point, it's objectively (risky assertion considering) the true case. So again, you had best be prepared for your righteous sword of truth to swing back when the tables turn...and they always turn.
Posted by SavageOrangeJug
Member since Oct 2005
19758 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 6:06 pm to
When you write the truth it is free press.

When you intentionally write lies, slander, and propaganda it is no longer "free press".
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 6:23 pm to
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When you write the truth it is free press.

When you intentionally write lies, slander, and propaganda it is no longer "free press".



A free press is a press that is free to be critical.

It no longer becomes a nation with a free press when you have the state shut down or silence the organization's that don't satisfy them. Leaving only those standing that express tacit or explicit cooperation.

You Trumpkins have got your patriotic talking points all out of whack with this president. Too many contortionist acts trying to justify every one of his tweets and the result is people trying to argue with a straight face that because a news station reports on an internal fight in the administration that they are somehow the enemy and should be shut down. Which makes you all the ones arguing against a free press.


Posted by Jpace20171
Member since Oct 2017
9 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 6:26 pm to
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Exact lies


A few specifics:

1) lied about the boy scouts calling him
2) lied about not helping his son draft a statement when his kid got caught lying about meeting with the Russian attorney over the summer.
3) lied about being wiretapped
4) lied about voter fraud
5) lied about his January call with the Australian prime minister not being contentious.

Seriously, if you truly believe Trump isn't a compulsive liar....you're brainwashed.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123915 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 6:27 pm to
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When you write the truth it is free press.

When you intentionally write lies, slander, and propaganda it is no longer "free press".
When you are free to write the truth, it is free press. Sharon Waxman can speak to that.
Posted by asurob1
On the edge of the galaxy
Member since May 2009
26971 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 6:36 pm to
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Actually all of this fake news shite didn't start until Obama and congress repealed that law that the press can't use propaganda against American citizens


Posted by dr smartass phd
RIP 8/19
Member since Sep 2004
20387 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 6:38 pm to
Broadcast Journalism
Introduction. As noted above, in light of the fundamental importance of the free flow of information to our democracy, the First Amendment and the Communications Act bar the FCC from telling station licensees how to select material for news programs, or prohibiting the broadcast of an opinion on any subject. We also do not review anyone’s qualifications to gather, edit, announce, or comment on the news; these decisions are the station licensee’s responsibility. Nevertheless, there are two issues related to broadcast journalism that are subject to Commission regulation: hoaxes and news distortion.

Hoaxes. The broadcast by a station of false information concerning a crime or catastrophe violates the FCC's rules if:



the station licensee knew that the information was false,
broadcasting the false information directly causes substantial public harm, and
it was foreseeable that broadcasting the false information would cause such harm.

In this context, a “crime” is an act or omission that makes the offender subject to criminal punishment by law, and a “catastrophe” is a disaster or an imminent disaster involving violent or sudden events affecting the public. The broadcast must cause direct and actual damage to property or to the health or safety of the general public, or diversion of law enforcement or other public health and safety authorities from their duties, and the public harm must begin immediately. If a station airs a disclaimer before the broadcast that clearly characterizes the program as fiction and the disclaimer is presented in a reasonable manner under the circumstances, the program is presumed not to pose foreseeable public harm. Additional information about the hoax rule can be found on the FCC’s website at Broadcasting False Information.

News Distortion. The Commission often receives complaints concerning broadcast journalism, such as allegations that stations have aired inaccurate or one-sided news reports or comments, covered stories inadequately, or overly dramatized the events that they cover. For the reasons noted above, the Commission generally will not intervene in such cases because it would be inconsistent with the First Amendment to replace the journalistic judgment of licensees with our own. However, as public trustees, broadcast licensees may not intentionally distort the news: the FCC has stated that “rigging or slanting the news is a most heinous act against the public interest.” The Commission will investigate a station for news distortion if it receives documented evidence of such rigging or slanting, such as testimony or other documentation, from individuals with direct personal knowledge that a licensee or its management engaged in the intentional falsification of the news. Of particular concern would be evidence of the direction to employees from station management to falsify the news. However, absent such a compelling showing, the Commission will not intervene. For additional information about news distortion, see Broadcast Journalism Complaints.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44849 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 6:38 pm to
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I’d ask the same thing from you regarding the mainstream media. EXACT lies.


"Hands up, don't shoot"
Posted by asurob1
On the edge of the galaxy
Member since May 2009
26971 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 6:38 pm to
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When you write the truth it is free press.

When you intentionally write lies, slander, and propaganda it is no longer "free press".



Someone is not understanding the definition of the word

"free".
Posted by Rougarou13
Brookhaven MS
Member since Feb 2015
6839 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 6:41 pm to


When you link a website and THIS is listed as Trump's biggest lie you should already know you're full of shite.
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
11281 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 6:41 pm to
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Now they just spew whatever garbage that promotes their agenda.


Well, that, and we have also lost our collective ability to distinguish between "press" and random schlub on twitter that has a check mark
Posted by asurob1
On the edge of the galaxy
Member since May 2009
26971 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 6:50 pm to
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Well, that, and we have also lost our collective ability to distinguish between "press" and random schlub on twitter that has a check mark


Oh you see this very thing all the time on this forum. The thing is, most of the posters who link blogs...well know it's bullshite news...but it supports their view so they run with it.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 6:52 pm to
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When you intentionally write lies, slander, and propaganda it is no longer "free press".


The laws regarding slander and libel are well developed. Should Simone slander another they can take them to court. There is no bar - el trumpo has tried many times and failed.
Posted by Rougarou13
Brookhaven MS
Member since Feb 2015
6839 posts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 7:02 pm to
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I’d ask the same thing from you regarding the mainstream media. EXACT lies.


Even the left's beloved snopes put out an article highlighting the MSM lies.
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