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re: Trump pitched Republican leaders on a SOLAR-PANELED border wall

Posted on 6/6/17 at 7:24 pm to
Posted by MrLarson
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 7:24 pm to
I did....I should have left it with taco
Posted by Tesla
the Laurentian Abyss
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 7:26 pm to
Uh, no....not that far north of the equator.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 7:33 pm to
Solar Power: Bad for the environment because it requires mining of raw materials.

Signed,

CNN
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 7:34 pm to
If the sun passes South of the wall, does this qualify as Mexico paying for it?
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 7:36 pm to
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You do realize,that in The Northern Hemisphere, A solar panel will gather more Sunlight on the longest days, if it is facing slightly northward? Get outside a little bit


Is this bad sarcasm?

Typically south is best option followed by east or west with North being the worst option
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 7:42 pm to
uh, Laredo,Tx is still a long damn way north of The Equator, It's a probably( just a guess) 200 miles north of the Tropic of Cancer)and I assure you,the days are much longer in summer there,than in winter.
Even at The Equator,you would want your Panel facing pretty much straight up,not south.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
27883 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 7:56 pm to
You are joking right? You do realize why days are so long at the Arctic Circle In Summer, right?

The perfect thing is for the panel to move automatically,to stay aimed at the Sun all day,but I'm sure this would be very expensive on such a huge scale,but maybe not..

I stand by what I say about the panels facing slightly North, In the summer,that is where our Sunshine will come from,not directly above and East to West.
Panels facing south in Summer,wouldn't get any direct Sun.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 7:58 pm to
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Typically south is best option followed by east or west with North being the worst option


From what point?
Posted by Tesla
the Laurentian Abyss
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:07 pm to
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uh, Laredo,Tx is still a long damn way north of The Equator, It's a probably( just a guess) 200 miles north of the Tropic of Cancer)and I assure you,the days are much longer in summer there,than in winter.
Even at The Equator,you would want your Panel facing pretty much straight up,not south.



Damn, man. I was willing to let you shut up and move on. All current utilities in Texas incentivize South facing panels. At the border, the tilt should be about 22 degrees for most of it. Since you won't believe me, call the utility company tomorrow and ask them.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:15 pm to
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Did he check with Mexico since they'll be paying for it


Who do you think will be buying most of that power?
Posted by Jeff Boomhauer
Arlen, TX
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:16 pm to
How exactly does that help coal jobs?
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:16 pm to
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The graph shows the yearly (top) and summer (bottom) average hourly output for a square meter (m2) of solar panel facing south (red line) and west (blue line). The difference between the red line and the blue line shows how facing a solar panel in a different direction shifts the time that it is producing solar power – an east facing panel would shift the curve left of the south (red) curve. The graph also shows the average ERCOT wholesale electricity market price (black line). Over the entire year, the west-facing array produces about 14% less energy than the south-facing array. However, during summer months, the difference is just 1% less. If, over the entire year, we multiply the hourly output by the hourly price (black line), and look for the best placement, we get the orange line, which is at about 219 degrees, or 39 degrees west of south, almost right between south and west. If we consider an extreme case where we only care about the energy produced during peak times (3—7 p.m.), then a western orientation is the most preferred.

In the end, it all comes down to incentives. In Texas, the current structure of compensating for the energy produced by solar panels incentivizes south-facing panels. However, what utilities really want are west-facing panels to hit peak demand as hard as possible. Given the limited daily solar resource, the market calls for something in the middle. All of this is just for Austin, Texas. The answer changes depending on the local solar resource, local prices, and local incentive structure. As solar penetration increases, local grid authorities might want to reconsider how structuring solar rates and rebates can reduce, to a certain extent, solar panels’ impact on the grid.




Perhaps you should shut up.
Posted by islandtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:18 pm to
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When did eagles start flying south for the winter?


Actually, bald eagles fly south into LA in October, nest through the winter then head back out in March/April.
Posted by Jeff Boomhauer
Arlen, TX
Member since Jun 2016
3552 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:18 pm to
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the wall could be covered in solar panels and the electricity generated used to pay for the cost.


Where does Mexico fit into this? How do Mexico and energy pay the same bill?
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:20 pm to
My point was they don't fly to Mexico
Posted by Eightballjacket
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:21 pm to
This will power the electric fence above the wall. Brilliant move!
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:21 pm to
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Where does Mexico fit into this?


South of the solar powered wall.


quote:

How do Mexico and energy pay the same bill?


Double pay....#morewinning
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
27883 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:34 pm to
And it all changes again as The Earth tilts on it's axis for the winter months In The Northern Hemisphere,then you would definitely want the panels facing more southward,because that is where the Sun will be shining from,but for fewer hours each day.

Of course,that bit that you posted says a lot about peak usage and requirements being part of the equation too,pretty interesting stuff.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
10911 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:11 pm to
It's republicans in border states holding up the wall... their donors love dat cheap labor.

One proposal included solar panels, windmills on top and a monorail.

#quadwinning
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 9:13 pm
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:35 pm to
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President Trump spent some time talking up his latest idea for the border wall. According to 3 people with direct knowledge of the meeting, Trump floated the idea that the wall could be covered in solar panels and the electricity generated used to pay for the cost.


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