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re: Trump mandates all EPA data to be reviewed prior to release
Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:31 pm to Tigerdev
Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:31 pm to Tigerdev
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ts amazing how quickly "conservatives" bow down to the executive branch after a Republican is in office.
It's amazing how liberals don't understand that most conservatives would be happy with stopping all functions of the EPA other than clean air and water.
Most of us would be happy to close 1/2 of the departments.
These would go If I had my way.
Education
Transportation
Homeland Security
NSA
HUD
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:31 pm to Champagne
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t's premature and unreasonable at this point to conclude that any POTUS could "censor" the EPA
quote:So it really is not unreasonable to conclude a POTUS could "censor" the EPA. In fact, that essentially is what the Obama Administration did.
Obama did politicize it towards the Left
Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:34 pm to DavidTheGnome
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The EPA amongst others does not.
Thanks for posting the info.
The EPA is kind of a strange bird. I would not be surprised if the exact boundaries of its "independence" have yet to be completely drawn in by a court or statute.
Congress nominally has the authority to perform EPA functions. Congress delegated that authority and power to the EPA and the EPA belongs to the Executive Branch, not the Legislative Branch.
So Congress, the Legislative Branch, delegates and abrogates its powers and authority to Executive Branch, BUT, Congress attaches strings and limitations upon the Chief Executive's capability to completely control this agency.
I wonder how strong these "strings and limitations" really are. It would be interesting to see a legal struggle in a court between Trump's efforts to control the EPA and Congress's efforts to maintain strings and limitations on Trump's authority.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:37 pm to Loserman
Loserman's America:
Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:42 pm to OMLandshark
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Loserman's America:
Nope it would be all sunshine and rainbows.
I find it interesting that you posted a picture of the capitol building.
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You do know that it was built before any of those departments existed right?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:49 pm to NIH
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Mate, what advancements has the current EPA made for our betterment?
Helped deal with TVA Kingston Ash spill, BP Oil Spill, Hurricane Sandy drinking/wastewater issues..
Stronger smog/air quality standards
Gulf Coast Ecosystem Restoration task force/projects
New fuel efficiency standards
Expanded chemical testing for endocrine system disruptors
Chesapeake Bay TMDLs
Radiation monitors implemented across USA
Cross-State air pollution rule
Heavy duty vehicle fuel efficiency standards
Mercury pollution standards
Update oil/gas standards reducing VOCs emissions by 95%
54.5 mpg fuel efficiency standard
Fine particle air standards increased
Finalized MS4 Phase II permit modifications (bigger deal than you would expect)
Clean Water Act "Action Plan"
It's a big list.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:50 pm to joshnorris14
Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:51 pm to Champagne
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I wonder how strong these "strings and limitations" really are. It would be interesting to see a legal struggle in a court between Trump's efforts to control the EPA and Congress's efforts to maintain strings and limitations on Trump's authority.
If the power is delegated then it is conditional. They could just rescind that delegation of authority. The EPA answers to Trump on behalf of Congress. Congress is the daddy.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:56 pm to Loserman
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It's amazing how liberals don't understand that most conservatives would be happy with stopping all functions of the EPA other than clean air and water.
Problem is.. most conservatives don't stop there. Because it's partisan for them
Posted on 1/25/17 at 6:59 pm to Loserman
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It's amazing how liberals don't understand that most conservatives would be happy with stopping all functions of the EPA other than clean air and water
Guess what falls under clean air?
You guessed it.... greenhouse gas regulations
And you all don't care about risk or remediation?
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:00 pm to joshnorris14
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:03 pm to bmy
quote:Nope. If power is delegated, it is delegated. The only "conditional" aspect is funding. Theoretically Congress could defund the EPA, reclaim original Congressional authority, and start another agency. But as far as interfering with the executive managing the executive branch, shy of political hearings or impeachment, Congress will grin and bear it.
If the power is delegated then it is conditional.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:08 pm to Loserman
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I find it interesting that you posted a picture of the capitol building.
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You do know that it was built before any of those departments existed right?
Why does that matter in America's current environment? You might as well be saying that the Capitol was built before electricity and modern medicine, so we can go without those two as well.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:19 pm to DavidTheGnome
The President shapes the direction of many of those agencies. NASA is a good example.
Obama clearly set the direction of the EPA. I have a problem with the direction in which he shaped it, but he had every right to do so as it is currently set up. I'd be happy to discuss changing that, but that's not what we are doing are dealing with and certainly not realistic short term.
I don't know if I will be happy with the direction Trump shapes it, but I'm going to wait and see what he does. I certainly don't want or like the idea of bureaucrats answerable to NOBODY shaping policy or directives that can affect Americans and their livelihoods. It's weird that there seem to be so many who are cool with it.
Obama clearly set the direction of the EPA. I have a problem with the direction in which he shaped it, but he had every right to do so as it is currently set up. I'd be happy to discuss changing that, but that's not what we are doing are dealing with and certainly not realistic short term.
I don't know if I will be happy with the direction Trump shapes it, but I'm going to wait and see what he does. I certainly don't want or like the idea of bureaucrats answerable to NOBODY shaping policy or directives that can affect Americans and their livelihoods. It's weird that there seem to be so many who are cool with it.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:20 pm to joshnorris14
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It's not scientific data. It's manipulated bullshite
As a scientist I believe you are a salesman.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:59 pm to NC_Tigah
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Nope. If power is delegated, it is delegated. The only "conditional" aspect is funding. Theoretically Congress could defund the EPA, reclaim original Congressional authority, and start another agency. But as far as interfering with the executive managing the executive branch, shy of political hearings or impeachment, Congress will grin and bear it.
Delegated authority is nothing but the authority to act on another's behalf.. it means that your authority stems from another entity.
Let's say that NC_Tigah was delegated the authority to sign legal documents on behalf of Business X. If you did not perform your duty in the way Business X wanted you to.. they could fire you.. or simply revoke your recently delegated authority.
It is ridiculous to assert that delegated authority cannot be revoked. It won't be.. but it could be. They could simply reclaim that authority.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:01 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Sad how quickly small government conservatives abandon their principles here.
This is the crux of what I'm saying. Holy shite if any Emperor before Trump were to pull this shite they'd lose their pseudo-conservative minds...
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:09 pm to NIH
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Mate, what advancements has the current EPA made for our betterment?
1. We are not China or anything like it.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:17 pm to Canard Noir
Has this been posted?
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Doug Ericksen clarified his earlier statements to The Associated Press, which reported that the Trump administration was mandating that any studies or data from EPA scientists undergo review by political appointees before they can be released to the public. He says he was speaking about existing scientific information on the EPA website that is under review by members of the Trump administration's transition team.
He says new work by the agency's scientists is subject to the same "temporary hold" as other kinds of public releases, which he said would likely be lifted by Friday. He says there is no mandate to subject studies or data to political review.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:24 pm to bmy
quote:No.
Let's say that NC_Tigah was delegated the authority to sign legal documents on behalf of Business X. If you did not perform your duty in the way Business X wanted you to.. they could fire you..
The difference is you are dealing with different branches of government. Those branches are Constitutionally separate. As I noted, there is a "fire you" component . . . impeachment/removal. Shy of that, it's basically hands off.
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