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Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:54 am to Y.A. Tittle
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So, all fake news scare tactics.
Yes.
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EPA employees and allies of former President Obama have been on edge in recent days as Trump staffers have put restrictions on agency communications, grants and contracts at the EPA, as well as the departments of Agriculture and Health and Human Services.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:56 am to Salmon
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That seems stupid.
If it's true, no one should support it
trumptards will eat it up. its terrible policy though.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:56 am to Hawkeye95
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trumptards will eat it up. its terrible policy though.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:58 am to Y.A. Tittle
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if you really think the MAJORITY of Americans are perfectly cool with destroying the environment and that's one of the reasons they elected Donald Trump, I guess we have bigger problems than I imagine.
I've never implied this.
But I do think plenty choose to not believe certain scientific studies because they do not like the results.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:59 am to Jbird
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“It doesn’t mean everything that comes out of EPA is going to go through a filter of political appointees with degrees in communications. That’s not what’s going to happen,” Ericksen told The Hill.
Ericksen, who is a state lawmaker in Washington, said that some changes might come to how science and data come out of the EPA.
But those changes would be dictated by scientists, not political officials, he said, adding, “Any changes will be science-based.”
Good.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:04 am to a want
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The 37 upvotes to 27 downvotes ratio is a strong indication that about 60% of the posters here are deranged.
Did Al Gore's scientific review prior to his dire predictions spur you to buy a life raft or beach front property in Alaska?.
Us doubters are deranged. Ha
Thousands of babies now adults wish someone would have reviewed thalidomide before it was given the OK to be used on pregnant women.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:05 am to Y.A. Tittle
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A. Tittle
Tell me how that works, if I'm a scientist who has externally reviewed something from the EPA that appears would show something really bad and I find out that the EPA has been "ordered" not to release it or release it in some sort of altered form? What happens to me if I decide to go public with it?
Here is the thing. If I put out a paper with my research data, if you read it and have serious questions about the claims and conclusions, you're going to try to reproduce the experiment to see if you get the same results. You also examine the methods that were used. Did methods used contaminate data? If you can't independently verify the data, or in some cases you find the data was falsified, the paper is retracted. It's sounds simple enough, but papers represent often several years of people's lives that they devoted to the research. They don't exactly react very well with other scientists telling them their work is crap.
It gets even worse when the research has an obvious political bias as is the case with climate change research. When an organization as powerful as the EPA is producing research aimed at combatting climate change, it becomes extremely difficult to refute their findings and have their research retracted. They have a lot of power to push back against other scientists questioning the validity of their work. Then there are other scientists who aren't going to rock the boat and take on the EPA because climate change research is where all of the grant money is. They aren't going to chop off the hand that feeds them to take on the EPA.
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Posted on 1/26/17 at 12:30 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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So you think EPA data is now being placed on the same level as state intelligence secrets? Are the independent scientist peer reviewers now going to be required to undergo top secret clearance to do so?
Private sector whistleblowers aren't treated well either
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