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re: Trump announces decertification of Iranian Nuclear Deal
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if your underlying argument is "Iran is going to develop nukes" then that works both ways. would you rather a reality where their development of nukes violates a major international deal and the developed world has egg on its face OR a reality where the US backing out of a deal with no proof of violation is the reason that allowed Iran to obtain those nukes, and the world rallies against the US?
The world will now say it's our fault we called a spade a spade? Iran isn't living up to this deal.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:19 pm to MrLarson
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So what does the deal do? Other than saying we hope you don't work on nukes and we'll take your word for it.
You are looking at the deal as though it wasn't the first step in a series of talks. There was no incentive for Iran to even come to the table in the first place. Iran was slowly sending out feelers to others in the region that it was open to talks. Hopefully this doesn't mean Iran leaves the deal, and is still willing to talk.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:19 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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not time to tell the Saudi's to frick off as well.
this move basically opens the door for a nuclear race b/w Iran and KSA, bro
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
People here don't realize Iran is a regional power and a pain in the arse in the Middle East.
The Saudi's on the other hand are a world wide problem with the exportation of their brand of Islam.
The Saudi's on the other hand are a world wide problem with the exportation of their brand of Islam.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:20 pm to TrueTiger
What's up with the Breitbart headline?
I'm usually with Bannon but he's a little nuts lately.
I'm usually with Bannon but he's a little nuts lately.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:20 pm to Stingray
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Iran isn't living up to this deal.
They're not? Link?
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:21 pm to Stingray
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The world will now say it's our fault we called a spade a spade?
yes
they all want this deal
they all do NOT want this deal dissolved
why would they support this deal and NOT blame the US if Iran goes nuclear? in what way does that support their beliefs or perception of America's behavior?
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:21 pm to SirWinston
That’s what a president should sound like. Pro American - anti- terror unlike berry who was in bed with these evil people
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:23 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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People here don't realize Iran is a regional power and a pain in the arse in the Middle East.
I know. I think decertifying the deal was a bad idea. I think the threat of it should have been used for further talks.
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The Saudi's on the other hand are a world wide problem with the exportation of their brand of Islam.
This does nothing to solve that situation.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:23 pm to NashvilleTider
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That’s what a president should sound like. Pro American - anti- terror unlike berry who was in bed with these evil people
Then why is this one in bed with the Saudis?
Who are way more of a threat to our country than Iran.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they all want this deal
Yeah, I saw how all of Europe rushed over with their business men to start making money as soon as the ink dried, while the USA is still the "Bad Guy" for being their military defense against a potentially nuclear Iran in the future.
So....frick Europe?
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:26 pm to Stingray
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Yeah, I saw how all of Europe rushed over with their business men to start making money as soon as the ink dried, while the USA is still the "Bad Guy" for being their military defense against a potentially nuclear Iran in the future.
So....frick Europe?
i did not say that Europe wasn't biased
but this is beyond Europe. it's almost literally the entire world
but even then, if we assume Europe is biased, then again, why would they refrain from blaming the US?
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:30 pm to TrueTiger
MEH no big deal.
ETA
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President Trump declared Friday that the Iran nuclear deal is no longer in the national security interest of the United States, but stopped short of withdrawing from the Obama-era pact.
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But Trump declined to completely abandon the 2015 agreement, which he derided as "one of the worst and most one-sided transactions the United States has ever entered into," or call on Congress to reimpose nuclear related sanctions on Iran that would hasten its demise. The decision is a compromise forged out of heated internal discussions about what to do with the nuclear deal between Iran, the U.S. and five other world powers.
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Several top advisers — including national security adviser H.R. McMaster, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Defense Secretary James Mattis — worried a withdrawal would enflame tensions with Iran and spark a regional crisis. They scrambled to come up with an alternative path that allowed Trump to send a message to Tehran without torpedoing the pact
quote:LINK
Trump is not calling on Congress to impose sanctions on Iran for its nuclear activities something that would effectively remove the United States fro the deal.
ETA
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Instead he is calling on Congress to pass new benchmarks Iran would need to meet in order to stave off nuclear-related sanctions in the future. That includes revisiting sunset provisions that allow Iran to ramp up uranium enrichment activity after 10 years.
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but even then, if we assume Europe is biased, then again, why would they refrain from blaming the US?
I am not saying they won't blame us, I am saying they can frick off if they do. It was Obama fault for a deal that never should have happened, it is not Trump's. Trump called a spade a spade. We need that.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:32 pm to Stingray
Should have left the deal altogether, but this is better than nothing.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:33 pm to Stingray
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It was Obama fault for a deal that never should have happened
Why isn't it Bush's fault for toppling two governments that were natural checks on Iranian aspirations?
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:33 pm to crazy4lsu
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Why isn't it Bush's fault for toppling two governments that were natural checks on Iranian aspirations?
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:35 pm to TrueTiger
If ever there was an endorsement for a flawed but ultimately productive framework. Old Joffrey and his followers oppose it.
Congress will preserve it in substance.
Congress will preserve it in substance.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Because Iran is still proceeding with its nuclear and missile programs.
if the US cause this deal to dissolve, and the rest of the world (and Iran) wants this deal in place (with the point being to prevent Iran to go nuclear), then why would the world not blame the US when Iran goes nuclear?
I hope you know the "inspections" required by the agreement (not a treaty) was that Iran could inspect its own facilities and then report what their own inspectors found to the other signers of the agreement.
Do you actually believe that Iran is keeping its word and not continuing its nuclear program?
Just two days ago this was reported:
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“It has been known for years that Iran has two nuclear programs — one is civilian and the other, the military, has the goal of giving Iran its first nuclear bomb,” Alireza Jafarzadeh, deputy director of the Washington office of the NCRI, also referred to as the Iranian Resistance, and considered the primary opposition coalition to the clerical administration of Iran, told Fox News. “The civilian sector of the nuclear program has systematically provided a plausible logistical cover for the military sector, and acts as a conduit for it. The military aspect of the program has been and remains at the heart of Iran’s nuclear activities.”
“The more we investigated, the more we realized that the weaponization program is fully operational,” Jafarzadeh said. “The military sector has gone through changes in name, location and reorganizations over the years. However, it has never halted its work and key figures in the sector have remained unchanged.”
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:36 pm to TrueTiger
There's almost nothing left of Obama's legacy other than his 10 trillion in debt.
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