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Just like you don't choose to be a dumbass they don't choose to be gay.

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the just of this

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Refer to my earlier post.

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I find it odd, regardless of the origin of the gay, that >50% of the dudes develop a lisp and female mannerisms when the choose/discover their homosexuality.

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winner winner chicken dinner.

he was born like this....yep, uh huh

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I don't think you're lying at all and your story clearly supports the argument that it is not a choice.

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It is being interpreted as there's no choice. It's not apparent that's a foregone conclusion. A certain predisposition to the "feminine," either in art, aesthetics, mannerisms or any other number of characteristics doesn't necessarily demonstrate that homosexuality has no component of choice nor that nurture plays no role.

The burden of proof is on the "born that way" theory. Until then, it's a choice.

A choice that a small % homosapiens make. Roughly twice that of the albino population. See any albinos lately?

Yeah, I'm sure plenty of guys who are attracted to women just wake up one morning and decide they want to smoke a pole or take it up the wazoo instead. Makes perfect sense.

I believe it has a lot to do with upbringing. I would find it very hard to believe that you simply just wake up one morning and say I think I'm going to be attracted to men today.

edit: acting on homosexual attractions is clearly a choice, but the question is, if someone has sexual attraction to the same sex, did they wake up in the morning and choose to look at the same sex that way, or is it something outside of their control that caused them to look at the same sex that way. Actually you could say the same thing with opposite sex sexual attraction. Straight people don't wake up and say I'm going to be attracted to the opposite sex.

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I believe it has a lot to do with upbringing. I would find it very hard to believe that you simply just wake up one morning and say I think I'm going to be attracted to men today.

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Reducing the question to "choice" creates a false choice of "choice" or "not choice." It's obviously not that simple.

[quote]just because you aren't born that way doesn't mean you make a choice. Many things in our lives are determined not how we were born but how we grew up. [/quote

This. But again. I think in the end we'll have an answer in our lifetime. I'm not sure what it will accomplish. I don't see how it's relevant to the gay marriage debate

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Of all the things we associate with the porn industry—dead-eyed women, STIs, and rampant drug addiction—tolerance is rarely mentioned. After all, the entire point of porn is that someone—usually female—is being degraded. But a study in the journal Communication Research found that those who regularly indulge in porn may be more tolerant than those who do not.

According to the researchers, there’s a link between the amount of porn someone watches and how accepting they are of gay marriage.The theory goes that exposure to the world of Internet porn—where anything can and must have sex with everything else, on one page or another—teaches straight men to be more accepting of non-traditional couplings. Once they’ve made the cognitive leap that not all sex has to be strictly hetero, the next step in acceptance—”therefore gay marriage is fine”—comes more easily. It sounds absurd, but Communication Research is a proper academic journal, so either they’re onto something, or some college professor is now laughing at all the academics he just successfully trolled.

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I guess all you guys supporting gay marriage are also huge online porn addicts, then. Which leads me to mention this....

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It sounds contradictory, but straight men apparently enjoy looking at penises almost as much as they do vaginas. As part of their research for their book A Billion Wicked Thoughts, Sai Gaddam and Ogi Ogas—those two again—ranked Internet searches in terms of popularity from their NSA-sized database. Their results showed that search terms for female genitalia are only just more popular than search terms for male genitalia, by a factor so small there’s practically zero difference.

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So I guess if you're all big fans of porn, then you're also a big fan of watching dicks, which leads me to....

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A couple of years ago, two neuroscientists, Sai Gaddam and Ogi Ogas, decided to analyze roughly 1 billion Internet searches from over 100 million people and publish the results of this masochistic experiment. What they found was that transgender porn is the fourth-most popular type of adult website on the entire Internet, and its audience is overwhelmingly male and heterosexual. This agrees with a recent study done by Northwestern University, which claimed that over half the male audience for transgender porn was straight, with the second-largest group, bisexuals, accounting for only 41 percent. In other words, a huge number of guys apparently like their women equipped with something extra.

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So.... Not only do the pro gay marriage types here like to check out dick, a big percentage dig on those dicks being on chicks!

Just setting the record straight for those who think they are.

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