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Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:55 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:
Unheard of, literally
quote:Precisely what is meant by "unheard of." It existed but people were silent on the issue out of shame or ignorance.
no it wasn't, we just kept it to ourselves, like my lesbian great-aunt in the Army, born ~1910.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:57 pm to PythagoreanTiger
quote:we'll agree to disagree
Precisely what is meant by "unheard of."
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:57 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:
If true, then sole heterosexuality is a choice as well.
We have an innate desire for companionship and need to continue our gene pool and species. The only way to do that naturally is with a man and woman. Pretty simple really.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:58 pm to Iosh
I get that, but they can't explain how multiple factors contribute to the determination of sexual preference or sexuality. All that was is correlation, it could still be environmental factors. It could be circumstances explaining a choice, it could also be a genetic pattern
Again, they're on to something...maybe, but no proof
The point being that there is absolutely no consensus, no law, no rule. there is plenty of evidence, and just like natural selection and the evolution of species, I think the best evidence is observational (homogenous/analogous traits, geographic diversity in that case)
While I believe sexuality is a genetic predetermination and sometimes in conjunction with external causes in formative years. The possibility exists that the "it's a choice crowd" is right. Unlikely, but possible, this no PROOF
BTW, with the fossil records, embryology, DNA and the other things I mentioned, I do believe evolution is a proven process. Why is it still a "theory"? Honest question, I don't know
Again, they're on to something...maybe, but no proof
The point being that there is absolutely no consensus, no law, no rule. there is plenty of evidence, and just like natural selection and the evolution of species, I think the best evidence is observational (homogenous/analogous traits, geographic diversity in that case)
While I believe sexuality is a genetic predetermination and sometimes in conjunction with external causes in formative years. The possibility exists that the "it's a choice crowd" is right. Unlikely, but possible, this no PROOF
BTW, with the fossil records, embryology, DNA and the other things I mentioned, I do believe evolution is a proven process. Why is it still a "theory"? Honest question, I don't know
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:59 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:
It proves itself.
If true, then sole heterosexuality is a choice as well.
You may have misread.
But certainly "sole heterosexuality" can be a choice, as can homosexuality. Neither is responsive to the unfortunate sweeping generalization of the OP though.
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 12:00 am
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:03 am to DelU249
I didn't even know what "gay" was when I was about six years old and my younger cousin came to visit. He was as femme as femme could be... didn't like football or baseball, played with his little sisters dolls, had no interest in anything that I did or cared about.
10 years later he was in a boy band.
20 years later he is now living with his partner in an antiqued out flat in Baltimore.
Kid was born to suck the D
10 years later he was in a boy band.
20 years later he is now living with his partner in an antiqued out flat in Baltimore.
Kid was born to suck the D
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:05 am to Tigah in the ATL
quote:
quote:
If true, then sole heterosexuality is a choice as well.
Survival is programmed into most, not all, members of a species. This is scientific fact. Basic biology supports this as well as billions of years of sexual procreation
With that said, being straight can absolutely be a choice. I have a suspicion that bisexuality is more prevalent than people believe. I think more men suppress that urge than will admit it, but I base that on some pretty offensive (to males, gay males I'm not sure) opinions formed from knowing a lot of gay men who really would just frick any circular hole that isn't dry.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:06 am to SirWinston
quote:
. He was as femme as femme could be... didn't like football or baseball, played with his little sisters dolls, had no interest in anything that I did or cared about.
10 years later he was in a boy band.
20 years later he is now living with his partner in an antiqued out flat in Baltimore.
Kid was born to suck the D
wow, so true to the progressive form, not only are you a hypocrite, but you stereotype too. how special.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:06 am to SirWinston
For me the kicker is my cousin. He's about to go to college, but from when he was an infant until now, just flaming. And there's nothing wrong with it. I do feel bad because I think he's in denial and so is his father
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:08 am to NC_Tigah
Hey I was short on time. I hear my gay friend roll his eyes and call names when the subject gets brought up in the gay marriage debates
Personally, I think it's irrelevant to the topic, but fascinating nonetheless
Personally, I think it's irrelevant to the topic, but fascinating nonetheless
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:09 am to CptBengal
How the frick do you "stereotype" a true story?
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:09 am to Zed
quote:
If that's the sort of stuff that has to happen to really frick with someone's sexual orientation, that just just reinforces that it's overwhelming inherent to me.
For everyone who hasn't had a traumatic event or extreme circumstance or is acting against their nature or any other number of complicating factors.
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 12:10 am
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:12 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
It proves itself.
It doesn't. That doesn't mean anything, but it doesn't
I would say a biological inclination towards sex between men and women proves itself to a degree. We're here. Our biology and survival is constructed around it. Doesn't prove that either. Maybe it's a choice with better odds
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:13 am to SirWinston
Right. Since all gay men don't like sports and are in boy bands and vice versa.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:16 am to DelU249
quote:FM, it is not a simple matter promiscuous convenience. Someone like Rock Hudson could have had nearly any woman in Hollywood, or a few at a time.
opinions formed from knowing a lot of gay men who really would just frick any circular hole that isn't dry.
There was no attraction. No one would make that choice.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:18 am to PythagoreanTiger
I have a black friend who enjoys fried chicken. I post on a Louisiana based message board and 90 percent of the people are right wingers who blame Obama when it rains yet think that George W hung the moon.. I don't get your point. Stereotypes can often be true?
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 12:24 am
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:19 am to SirWinston
quote:
SirWinston
typical progressive. I'm willing to bet you think yourself intelligent too...
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:19 am to PythagoreanTiger
quote:Right. It was crudely put, but the key was "I didn't even know what "gay" was when I was about six years old and my younger cousin came to visit." That was the salient point.
Since all gay men don't like sports and are in boy bands and vice versa.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:20 am to NC_Tigah
quote:It is for some and not for others. Not all gay people are the same.
FM, it is not a simple matter promiscuous convenience.
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