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re: Top WH Advisor: Coal doesn't make sense anymore
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:40 pm to tigerinDC09
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:40 pm to tigerinDC09
Coal makes plenty of sense when you are trying to make steel!
While Technology is changing and good methods for creating it with Natural Gas exist, it will still be the primary method for at least another decade.
While Technology is changing and good methods for creating it with Natural Gas exist, it will still be the primary method for at least another decade.
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Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:41 pm to tigerinDC09
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Yeah, one of the hundreds of people happen to be the National Economic Council director.
Wake me when the Office of Social Innovation and Civic Participation Director voices his opinion on the matter. Then the director of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships will grace us with his wisdom.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:42 pm to Loserman
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it will still be the primary method for at least another decade.
Major energy sources and percent shares of U.S. electricity generation at utility-scale facilities in 20161
Natural gas = 33.8%
Coal = 30.4%
Nuclear = 19.7%
Renewables (total) = 14.9%
Hydropower = 6.5%
Wind = 5.6%
Biomass = 1.5%
Solar = 0.9%
Geothermal = 0.4%
Petroleum = 0.6%
Other gases = 0.3%
Other nonrenewable sources = 0.3%
Pumped storage hydroelectricity = -0.2%4
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:43 pm to The First Cut
There are good markets for coal. Exports, and yes domestic power production , not to mention the steel industry. We will have plenty of coal when the natural gas is all gone.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:43 pm to The First Cut
You can't double natural gas production and infrastructure overnight.
It will take a decade or so to get natural gas up to 75%
It will take a decade or so to get natural gas up to 75%
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:44 pm to texag7
Existing furnaces are being reconfigured to burn natural gas. More and more are being converted every year.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:45 pm to texag7
With the regulatory heat off of coal, the prices will drop. Why convert coal fired plants and get hit by all those costs?
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:45 pm to The First Cut
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With the current commodities prices, coal doesn't have a chance. Natural gas is cheap, gas-fired furnaces are a fraction of the cost of solid-fuel fired furnaces, and gas is significantly cleaner burning, requiring much less "back end" pollution controls equipment.
At least in the short term - coal is dead. Trumpy can do nothing about that.
Perhaps unlike Obama, Trump will allow the market to decide on coal instead of imposing government regulations and statues to purposefully kill our coal industry.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:46 pm to ChewyDante
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:46 pm to The First Cut
quote:The stagnation is real! Tyler Cowen was right!
Major energy sources and percent shares of U.S. electricity generation at utility-scale facilities in 20161
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:14 pm to Loserman
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While Technology is changing and good methods for creating it with Natural Gas exist, it will still be the primary method for at least another decade.
I don't know of any method to make iron without the use of coke or charcoal. Molten iron(hot metal) is then converted to steel. The molten iron is already hot and doesn't need to be heated. Oxygen is blown thru it and converts it to steel. So you can make steel without coal as long as you have a supply of molten or billet iron. The coke also adds carbon to the iron and in turn gives the steel it's need properties.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:18 pm to rooster108bm
Too bad this isn't a discussion about iron production.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:25 pm to The First Cut
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Too bad this isn't a discussion about iron production.
I never said it was but coal is used over natural gas in the steelmaking industry for reason. Not because it's cheaper.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:28 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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It cracks me up that some yall too stupid to understand that Trump has purposely put people who disagree with him on a variety of issues in positions of power. For all the talk of how fragile his ego is, this is actually a sign of strength when you can hire talented people who don't agree with your every word, and allow them to speak their mind. As opposed to, obviously, Obama , where every single person in every single position agreed with the Boss on every single position. That's weakness folks, when you have to be surrounded by yes men, you are weak.
I like this post.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:29 pm to rooster108bm
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I never said it was but coal is used over natural gas in the steelmaking industry for reason. Not because it's cheaper
No, its because you make coke from coking coal. However, this discussion is about combustible fuels for use in electricity production.Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:29 pm to tigerinDC09
Coal doesn't really make sense, not when compared to the new nuclear reactor designs. But we can't build those because of the same people who don't want us to have coal, or build hydro electric. Only acceptable per seems to be solar desire the horrendous pollution mining for the required minerals creates, or wind, despite the bird deaths.
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:30 pm to tigerinDC09
He can think whatever the frick he wants to, he doesn't make policy
idiots
idiots
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:30 pm to The First Cut
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Solar = 0.9%
Wow, solar really took off during Obama's 8 years.
Is that a win?
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:32 pm to i am dan
Solar is impractical with current technology. It's a case of BTU density. It takes way too much real estate per Kw than other sources.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:37 pm to tigerinDC09
coal has never made sense. people that spout off about "clean coal" are the biggest window-lickers of them all
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