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re: Today Obama may have never been
Posted on 3/24/17 at 7:47 am to Bass Tiger
Posted on 3/24/17 at 7:47 am to Bass Tiger
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If you get sick and did not qualify due to net worth being to high, once your net worth is below that threshold due to medical costs you would then get government assistanc
More socialist and fascism.
You are not part of the "people."
You make too much, therefore, you have penalties to pay because you aren't of the "people."
fricking clueless
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Posted on 3/24/17 at 7:52 am to Errerrerrwere
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More socialist and fascism.
You are not part of the "people."
You make too much, therefore, you have penalties to pay because you aren't of the "people."
fricking clueless
Looking for ideas not whining, what ya got?
What do you mean "make too much"? For discussions sake, let's say someone has a net worth of $5 million and they need a transplant that costs $250k versus someone who has a net worth $500k and they also need the same treatment, are you saying the person with a net worth of $5 million should get the same government safety net for catastrophic coverage as the person with a net worth of $500k?
I can tell you personally that my mother died waiting on a liver transplant due to her liver being destroyed by the Hep B virus (she was a nurse and got infected back in the late 70's), my parents had to liquidate all their assets to qualify for Medicare and believe me they had a net worth back in 1990 less than $600k so they essentially got wiped out trying to qualify for a transplant through Medicare.
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 8:04 am
Posted on 3/24/17 at 7:54 am to Bass Tiger
I'm not a fan of that. You're essentially punishing someone for accumulating wealth throughout their lives. My primary goal is to make people take responsibility for their own health. What's the point if we're just going to subsidize health care at the end of our lives?
I think a better solution might be to ensure insurance companies can't drop customers simply because they get too sick. That steps a little across the line of government control of health care, but it could be something worth looking at to take care of people that have contributed to our society.
I think a better solution might be to ensure insurance companies can't drop customers simply because they get too sick. That steps a little across the line of government control of health care, but it could be something worth looking at to take care of people that have contributed to our society.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 7:55 am to Errerrerrwere
Not sure someone that supports the AHCA should make such statements.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 7:57 am to Errerrerrwere
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Who shoved this socialist idea down the throat of the American people? I was doing just fine in a free market deciding what was best for me. Now, you got your answer.
Whatever you do, don't ever let go of your fantasy that things were better before Obamacare. Just hold that lie so tightly that your knuckles turn whit.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:03 am to redneck hippie
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Jesus. Trump has turned Washington into a reality TV show and The duck dynasty crowd is eating it up.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:07 am to Bass Tiger
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For discussions sake, let's say someone has a net worth of $5 million and they need a transplant that costs $250k versus someone who has a net worth $500k and they also need the same treatment, are you saying the person with a net worth of $5 million should get the same government safety net for catastrophic coverage as the person with a net worth of $500k?
I would absolutely say that. The federal government needs to be forced out of wealth redistribution, and that's what this would be regardless of how it's dressed up.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:07 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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I'm not a fan of that. You're essentially punishing someone for accumulating wealth throughout their lives. My primary goal is to make people take responsibility for their own health. What's the point if we're just going to subsidize health care at the end of our lives?
I'm talking catastrophic and you could put limitations on that definition, for example, if you destroyed your lungs and liver from smoking and drinking that may be a deal breaker on the safety net option.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:08 am to Bass Tiger
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'm talking catastrophic and you could put limitations on that definition, for example, if you destroyed your lungs and liver from smoking and drinking that may be a deal breaker on the safety net option
Just let the market decide healthcare. It's what has us buried in this trap right now. Things weren't great before; but they weren't as bad as they are now.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:09 am to Bass Tiger
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I'm talking catastrophic
I get that, but it doesn't change my point.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:12 am to Errerrerrwere
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ust let the market decide healthcare. It's what has us buried in this trap right now. Things weren't great before; but they weren't as bad as they are now.
Now y'all are making my case as to why Trump should have left the health care shite alone and dealt with it in 2018, there is no good solution other than what some radicals would like "Death Panels!"
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:13 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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I get that, but it doesn't change my point.
What do we do with these people who are incapable of affording any health care beyond a basic office visit for the flu?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:18 am to Bass Tiger
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What do we do with these people who are incapable of affording any health care beyond a basic office visit for the flu?
That depends.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:19 am to Errerrerrwere
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Just let the market decide healthcare. It's what has us buried in this trap right now. Things weren't great before; but they weren't as bad as they are now.
Yeah, but even if we had straight provider to patient care and we eliminated the insurance companies, maybe the overall costs drop 20-30%, you would still have a significant portion of the populace that can't afford an office visit. So the question is, what are we going to do for those folks?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:21 am to Bass Tiger
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o the question is, what are we going to do for those folks?
The same thing we did BEFORE!
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:31 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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That depends.
Look, this shite has been hashed over for as long as I can remember and I recall my mother (the nurse) telling me back in the 80's, "the reason you're paying $5 dollars for a Tylenol in the hospital is to make up for the patients who can't and that goes along with all of your medical costs."
So here we are still trying to figure this out and I'll be the first to admit there is no solution that will satisfy every segment of society but it comes down to empathy for your fellow man.
Keep in mind the medical system (not research but hospitals and clinics) evolved almost exclusively from faith based origins and many Dr.'s and nurses went into the profession because they felt it was a calling to care for their fellow man and it was not solely a for profit business.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:34 am to Errerrerrwere
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The same thing we did BEFORE!
I gotcha, $10 dollar Tylenols and hospital beds at $300 a night.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:35 am to Bass Tiger
It's actually better for me that way.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:37 am to Errerrerrwere
Liberals could have had their watershed moment. Their party was exposed, naked as corrupt, lying, conniving cheaters. They have no ideology any more, only a loosely arranged set of single issues targeting minority groups. They coalesce power with fear and ridicule. Some dems started to see it in the primary and rallied around Sanders. Sadly, once Trump won, they all went straight back to the astroturfing like mindless sheep. Now they aren't even pitching new ideas or developing their bench, just obstructing everything coming from the Trump White house no matter what it is.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:39 am to Errerrerrwere
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It's actually better for me that way.
So we'll still pay for the indigents/poor but it will be rolled into the shared cost to everyone that goes to the Dr.'s office or checks into a hospital.
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