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re: Time to abolish the death penalty...
Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:24 am to the808bass
Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:24 am to the808bass
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Name an innocent person who's been executed.
Cameron Todd Willingham
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:24 am to JazzyJeff
The only problem with the death penalty is it takes too long to administer. Convicts sit in prison for years if not decades on taxpayer dime before justice is fully served.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:25 am to JazzyJeff
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2. Feeds in to an already death loving culture/society ('Merica)
what?
oh...thats right. you hate America
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4. Its victims are primarily the poor
what the frick does this have to do with anything?
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5. Innocent people have been and will continue to be executed
and guilty people have been and will continue to walk free
Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:26 am to The Spleen
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'll add one, and I say this as someone who has had a family member murdered and the killer was executed. For me and my family, it didn't give us any closure or sense of justice. Our family member was still just as dead and just as gone. We thought there would be this huge relief once the killer was executed, but it actually made some of us feel worse.
Sorry for your loss and thanks for sharing your experience. Can't imagine that ordeal. I am anti-death penalty and I wonder how many people pro-dp people would change their minds if they had a similar experience as you and/or were forced to witness and participate in an execution. These internet tough-guy/girl personas might be exposed is my hunch.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:27 am to JazzyJeff
I agree, it is not a deterrent. 15 to 30 years living in prison with a very comfortable standard of living compared to most incarcerated inmates in the world.
Remove comfort, execute sooner. Make it a deterrent.
Remove comfort, execute sooner. Make it a deterrent.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:29 am to Robin Masters
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I wonder how many people pro-dp people would change their minds if they had a similar experience as you and/or were forced to witness and participate in an execution.
you know there are pro-death penalty people who have had similar experiences, right?
also...nobody is "forced" to witness and participate in an execution
Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:32 am to the808bass
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But he's not conclusively innocent. There's some recent doubts about it. I'm asking for a 100% certain innocent person executed. Completely exonerated posthumously.
People aren't found innocent beyond a reasonable doubt. They're found guilty beyone a reasonable doubt.
The problems with the death penalty: a.) there is no recourse if the state is wrong....and they are frequently wrong in all types of cases. b.) It's too much power to give the state.
I'm glad the women in Texas who tortured the 9 year old kid is dead...but I'd rather her live out her life in jail than potentially execute an innocent person.
Here are more instances of people wrongly executed:
Timothy Cole
Lionel Herrera
Ellis Wayne Felker
David Spence
Joseph O’Dell
Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:40 am to MrFreakinMiyagi
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Honestly, you have to be a pretty sick frick to be pro death penalty.
You have to be a pretty sick frick to not believe in justice. If someone would rape your mother, hold her hostage and then slit her throat, that fricker doesnt deserve to die?
Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:42 am to JazzyJeff
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4. Its victims are primarily the poor
Victims?
Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:46 am to onmymedicalgrind
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Well my criticism of the DP is simple: I don't trust the govt to pick up my trash on time, I'm probably not going to trust them to accurately and effectively end the life of own of its citizens. Plus, there is alot of data on how the DP is disproportionately applied to people based on socioeconomics, race, etc.
Aren't all DP cases jury cases?
Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:51 am to moneyg
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Aren't all DP cases jury cases?
In states where the dp is legal All capital murder trials include jury's who are pro death penalty. You cannot be anti death penalty and be on the jury where the dp is an option. Scary thought given the tone of many posts here.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:54 am to JazzyJeff
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Its victims are primarily the poor
It's victims? WTF? commit a terrible crime that's eligible for the DP. Get sentenced to death. This is not being a victim.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:59 am to Robin Masters
I was actually somewhat removed from it as it was a somewhat distant cousin. I had only met her 3 or 4 times, though I knew her parents fairly well.
It was an odd situation as she was one of 3 people this guy killed, and one of the other victims was well known in the town where they occurred. That family took sort of the lead role in talking to media representing all of the families, even though most of my family didn't care for them nor want them speaking for us. They were hardline DP supporters and pushed for it, and had the influence to get it. If I'm not mistaken the jury didn't decide the sentencing, the judge did. My family was somewhat in favor of the DP, but more in favor of just life without parole. Nobody from my family went to the execution, nor did anything "special" that day.
Odd twist though. My cousin's mom is now very close friends with the killer's step-sister.
And I'm sure there are many families of murder victims whose killer was executed and they still support it. Just giving my perspective.
It was an odd situation as she was one of 3 people this guy killed, and one of the other victims was well known in the town where they occurred. That family took sort of the lead role in talking to media representing all of the families, even though most of my family didn't care for them nor want them speaking for us. They were hardline DP supporters and pushed for it, and had the influence to get it. If I'm not mistaken the jury didn't decide the sentencing, the judge did. My family was somewhat in favor of the DP, but more in favor of just life without parole. Nobody from my family went to the execution, nor did anything "special" that day.
Odd twist though. My cousin's mom is now very close friends with the killer's step-sister.
And I'm sure there are many families of murder victims whose killer was executed and they still support it. Just giving my perspective.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 9:02 am to JazzyJeff
This can be handled at the state level.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 9:02 am to Paluka
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victims? WTF? commit a terrible crime that's eligible for the DP. Get sentenced to death. This is not being a victim.
I remember reading about a serial killer who grew up as a child being forced to perform oral sex on his mother almost on a daily basis. Probably was just a coincidence that he grew up to be a serial killer though.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 9:05 am to Robin Masters
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Robin Masters
I deal with this every day. I see the guys who didn't have a shot from day one. It does not justify what anyone does no matter how bad their childhood may have been. GTFO with this bullshite. Where do the excuses end? Sooner or later an individual MUST take responsibility for his or her actions.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 9:15 am to JazzyJeff
1. Too expensive
Doesn't have to be
2. Feeds in to an already death loving culture/society ('Merica)
So?
3. Is not a deterrent to crime
Maybe not to you or to others, but some people do consider that risk. Even if it isn't a deterrent to crime, it prevents additional crimes from being committed by the executed.
4. Its victims are primarily the poor
Justice shouldn't be dealt based on income disparity.
5. Innocent people have been and will continue to be executed
Yes, but that's the problem with all justice. Some people think that rotting in jail for the rest of their lives is actually worse than being put to death. Yet there are innocents that are jailed for life.
I'm all for the death penalty.
Doesn't have to be
2. Feeds in to an already death loving culture/society ('Merica)
So?
3. Is not a deterrent to crime
Maybe not to you or to others, but some people do consider that risk. Even if it isn't a deterrent to crime, it prevents additional crimes from being committed by the executed.
4. Its victims are primarily the poor
Justice shouldn't be dealt based on income disparity.
5. Innocent people have been and will continue to be executed
Yes, but that's the problem with all justice. Some people think that rotting in jail for the rest of their lives is actually worse than being put to death. Yet there are innocents that are jailed for life.
I'm all for the death penalty.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 9:18 am to MrFreakinMiyagi
quote:Really?
Honestly, you have to be a pretty sick frick to be pro death penalty.
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Steven Hayes and Joshua Komisarjevsky broke into the house of Dr. William Petit and his family before dawn in the quiet New Haven suburb of Cheshire, beat him with a baseball bat, held his family hostage for 6 hours until banks opened, then ordered his wife to go to a nearby bank, where she withdrew $15,000, investigators have testified.
After fully cooperating with the defendants' wishes, Petit's wife was raped and killed, his two daughters were tied to their beds, Michaela was raped. While still tied to their beds, the girls were doused with gasoline and set afire before the two men fled.
Petit escaped from his bonds and fled to a neighbor's home. The men were captured at the scene in the family's vehicle.
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As the death penalty trial of alleged murderer Joshua Komisarjevsky continued on Thursday, horrific details emerged of the sexual assault endured by 11-year-old Michaela Petit in the hours before she died.
The New Haven, Connecticut court heard how the youngest Petit daughter’s clothes were cut off with scissors before the defendant ejaculated on her stomach and took photos of her on his cell phone,
Petit Family Murders
Posted on 9/18/14 at 9:20 am to JazzyJeff
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And the arguments for the DP aren't?
Some of them are.
Some aren't.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 9:22 am to catholictigerfan
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do you have no idea what deterrence actually means?
His idea does actually constitute deterrence.
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