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This or That isn't 'Natural'...

I'm really not sure what natural means. If something happens, it's natural.

My assertion, then, is that natural doesn't mean anything more than "something that occurs".


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I'm really not sure what natural means. If something happens, it's natural.
I've always assumed that "natural" referred to something or some event which existed in nature.

Now, I could make the argument that although we technically are still a part of nature, we no longer exist within nature, thus many of our actions or aspects of our lives are no longer "natural."
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My assertion, then, is that natural doesn't mean anything more than "something that occurs".
In order for there to be "natural," you also have to have the opposite. You cannot have one without the other.

I wouldn't consider computers to be "natural," in the strictest definition of the word.


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Ants, termites, bird and beavers build homes. Many of them also use tools. They do those things to advance their lives. We use computers to advance our lives. I'm just not sure that "natural" really has a meaning.

Higher animals use tools. So do we. Ours are advanced, but that doesn't mean anything. They're all just tools to ease life or accomplish goals.


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Higher animals use tools. So do we. Ours are advanced, but that doesn't mean anything. They're all just tools to ease life or accomplish goals.
That does make sense. Advancement is natural, aka evolution, thus everything beneath that is in and of itself natural.

So, what is unnatural? Everything exists with a counterbalance. At least that is my belief.


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That's my point. There is no such thing as "unnatural". If it exists, it's natural. Rare, bizarre or unusual can describe things, but unnatural is a really stupid word.


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That's my point. There is no such thing as "unnatural". If it exists, it's natural. Rare, bizarre or unusual can describe things, but unnatural is a really stupid word.
I refuse to believe this. There is something that is unnatural. There has to be.


FT
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Find it and I'll believe you.


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Would the term outside the norm suffice instead of un-natural. A two headed cow has been born but it's not normal.


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I'm really not sure what natural means. If something happens, it's natural. My assertion, then, is that natural doesn't mean anything more than "something that occurs".



I read a story about a man arrested more than once for having sex with road kill. So that's natural? So according to your definition, everything is natural because almost every possible act one can think of has already been done by someone? That's very odd.
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I'm really not sure what natural means. If something happens, it's natural.

You have reduced the natural strength of the language to an absurdity.

We use words to communicate ideas. You are just saying that everything obeys the laws of physics without any context.

I would say that 'natural' would mean anything that doesn't require further explanation about the event or the scenario in which it occurred.

For example if a sinkhole opens up under your bedroom and swallows you up, then of course all the laws of physics are obeyed, but the event itself would draw some level of shock to people as being an 'unnatural' occurance. Most people would have some degree of W.T.F. upon hearing that. Nobody would insist 'it can't happen.'

You are confusing 'unnatural' with 'impossible.'


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ReauxlTide222
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Iv always thought of natural as any event or occurrence that goes down with as little influence from outside sources.


WildTchoupitoulas
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re: This or That isn't 'Natural'...
On a related note, all those people who eat nothing but "organic food", I want to know, who the hell eats inorganic food?


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It's Adam and EVE, not Adam and STEVE people.





















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I read a story about a man arrested more than once for having sex with road kill. So that's natural? So according to your definition, everything is natural because almost every possible act one can think of has already been done by someone? That's very odd.



You're conflating what's "normal" with what's "natural," but then again I'm not so sure what does and doesn't count as natural anyway.


tankyank13
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Penis into anus wasn't intended to happen in nature thus making it unnatural, human with animal in the matter unnatural, abortion unnatural, just because I choose to do it doesn't make it natural...nature is in the word natural
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Patrick O Rly
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I don't care if it's natural or not. We belong together.


tankyank13
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I don't care either but that's what it means


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VOR
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Iv always thought of natural as any event or occurrence that goes down with as little influence from outside sources.


This is pretty close, imo. Something can occur "naturally" in biology, for example, yet be outside of the statistical "norm". Now, of course, we may be able to identify a cause of the phenomenon, but that doesn't make it unnatural.


Patrick O Rly
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Shut up VOR.


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"Natural - being in accordance with or determined by nature"

I think you are correct in proposing that anything in existence can be deemed natural, considering our (humans) definition of natural. Whether it is man made or made by nature, it is still in accordance with our worlds natural laws.

But I think ChineseBandit hit on something, you are just focusing on our definition of the word. I think what many people truly think of when they hear "natural" is something that occurs without human intervention. There are man made elements on the periodic table that otherwise would not happen without human intervention. I believe these would be deemed unnatural elements.

But then it all turns into semantics.


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