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re: This board has become bipolar in it's world views
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:03 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:03 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Am I allowed to say the p-word, or have you guys reclaimed it?
You can say the D-word to represent the down syndrome gene you have been searching for.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:09 pm to ctiger69
I am convinced you are less than 12. You just tried to totally switch positions with me as if nobody would notice
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:16 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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It really bothers me that such self-perceived thinkers can hold such opposing views at the same time.
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The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function
F. Scott Fitzgerald.
Maybe just maybe people on this board look at things on a case by case basis. In regards to police shootings there has been plenty of outrage in specific cases. There is plenty of desire on this board to see the legalization of pot. There is plenty of desire on this board to see an end to the intrusions into our privacy by our government.
You just choose to not see it because like life this board is not able to be summed up in big, blanket statements. Posters here rarely toe the line (but they always butcher that phrase) with one another. I'm so sorry that conflicting viewpoints offends your simple minded sensibilities.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:17 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:What do you mean by "you guys"?
or have you guys reclaimed it?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:44 pm to AUin02
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The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function F. Scott Fitzgerald.
If this board and it's regular posters represent first-rate intelligence, then we're all doomed
All I'm saying is that the majority of the board hates police overreach, until they kill a "thug". Then, the ends justify the means
And, the majority are full of "small gov't, libertarian views" unless we torture terrorists.
It's just strange.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:52 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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t the majority of the board hates police overreach, until they kill a "thug".
Sorry but this confuses me.
Lets agree that the majority hates overreach by LE. Thats a good thing .
"Killing a thug". Is this a code word that means something else to you? Because it happens a lot when there are cops and thugs. Seems logical if tragic. Most here want good cops that stay within the law out protecting and rounding up and sometimes having to shoot bad guys.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:55 pm to CherryGarciaMan
It's always a challenge to remain intellectually agile.
I find that those who self identify as Democrats or "Liberals" are most close-minded and chained to ideology.
I find that those who self identify as Democrats or "Liberals" are most close-minded and chained to ideology.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 12:58 pm to goatmilker
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"Killing a thug".
Of course that is the board code word for something else man.
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Because it happens a lot when there are cops and thugs
It's a shame there are no stats to quantify "
a lot".
All I'm getting at is that when cop's overreach it is bad, but when we torture it isn't so bad, and that just seems off.
Maybe I'm painting with a broad brush when I should use a finer point.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:09 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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All I'm getting at is that when cop's overreach it is bad, but when we torture it isn't so bad, and that just seems off.
Your premise is flawed. So is your logic. The cops did not overreach and we did not torture.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:11 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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Maybe I'm painting with a broad brush when I should use a finer point.
Maybe a MUCH finer point.
It's simple.
Cop overreach = bad. Killing a thug = meh
Torture = bad. Back room methods to gain information = meh
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:11 pm to Zach
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The cops did not overreach
According to the autopsy in NY, he did.
And he broke protocol.
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we did not torture
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:18 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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According to the autopsy in NY, he did. And he broke protocol.
Nope. It was not a choke hold.
Re: torture.... emoticons are difficult to respond to. So here is one for you.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:20 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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All I'm getting at is that when cop's overreach it is bad, but when we torture it isn't so bad, and that just seems off.
Got you now.
But your analogy would come off as less polyannaish if you were comparing US cops to torture of US citizens.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:27 pm to CherryGarciaMan
If the definition of torture includes pouring water on someone's face, making them stay up late and playing AC/DC loudly then we need a new word for true torture.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:32 pm to CherryGarciaMan
quote:I greatly dislike the police, but I have no qualms with a shooting death if it is justified.
We hate the police...unless they kill a "thug".
quote:I hate the police state when it is directed towards American citizens. I do believe that torture is beneficial and support it's use against enemy combatants.
We hate our police state...unless they torture a "terrorist".
I do believe that there are chemicals which make physical torture obsolete though.
quote:I love all the freedoms of every American citizen.
We love our freedoms...unless our gov't abuses freedoms of others.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:36 pm to Scruffy
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I love all the freedoms of every American citizen.
You don't believe in natural rights?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:47 pm to CherryGarciaMan
For a military that polices the world and does whatever it wants, as you say, they sure have sacrificed the lives of a lot of US soldiers over the years to preserve the lives of "enemy" civilians.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:21 pm to CherryGarciaMan
quote:Sure, but define both "natural rights" and "freedoms" for me. They do not mean the same things.
You don't believe in natural rights?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:31 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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guess it's just a symptom of the times, but, as far as general consensus goes:
We hate the police...unless they kill a "thug".
We hate our police state...unless they torture a "terrorist".
We love our freedoms...unless our gov't abuses freedoms of others.
It really bothers me that such self-perceived thinkers can hold such opposing views at the same time.
Your three examples make no sense. The second one is the only one where I can even sniff your intent.
What really bothers me is that some of you dope-smokers think the world can work like video games.
Life is complicated there are no universally absolute right/wrong situations taken out of the context of where/when/why they occurred.
Anyone who thinks so is foolish beyond belief - I think you resemble the 'self-perceived thinker' you are so bothered by.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:38 pm to ChineseBandit58
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Life is complicated there are no universally absolute right/wrong situations taken out of the context of where/when/why they occurred.
One of the problems people have is this rigid idea that the world is black and white. It never is.
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