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The Textalyzer - New Tool to Infringe on our Civil Liberties
Posted on 6/24/17 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 6/24/17 at 7:14 pm
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It's a device that plugs into your phone that can create a log of your actions. So if police could use this during a traffic stop, they could download your phone log and see everything you've done. The idea is to prove people are texting and driving so you can give them a ticket. But what happens when they change the program so it downloads all your personal information?
It's a device that plugs into your phone that can create a log of your actions. So if police could use this during a traffic stop, they could download your phone log and see everything you've done. The idea is to prove people are texting and driving so you can give them a ticket. But what happens when they change the program so it downloads all your personal information?
Posted on 6/24/17 at 7:15 pm to AggieDub14
It seems like this would require a warrant
Posted on 6/24/17 at 7:16 pm to AggieDub14
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But what happens when they change the program so it downloads all your personal information?
That's the real reason.
If you have a front seat passenger there's no probative value to the timestamp on a text. Plus you can plug phones into newer cars and have speech to text (although that would likely have syntax/spelling errors).
Posted on 6/24/17 at 7:18 pm to Antonio Moss
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It seems like this would require a warrant
Fourth Amendment is outdated. We need to be "flexible" with the Constitution. Only Neanderthals think it means what it says.
Signed,
RBG
Posted on 6/24/17 at 7:21 pm to Antonio Moss
It isn't being used anywhere yet. But the video claims lawmakers in some states are liking the idea. And if they write a law saying it doesn't require a warrant then it's up to the courts to save us.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 7:21 pm to AggieDub14
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It's a device that plugs into your phone that can create a log of your actions. So if police could use this during a traffic stop, they could download your phone log and see everything you've done.
I can see at least one scenario causing an issue. Let's say a car has a driver and passenger. The passenger picks up drivers phone and answers or texts some one. The car for whatever reason gets pulled over and a cop uses that tool on drivers phone. If texting gets treated like dui or open container laws, then there will be some innocent people getting burned.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 7:23 pm to AggieDub14
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And if they write a law saying it doesn't require a warrant then it's up to the courts to save us.
State legislatures don't get to write out the 4th Amendment. Now, I have no doubt that many state legislators believe they can, but nonetheless ...
Posted on 6/24/17 at 7:24 pm to AggieDub14
I don't understand how this would work unless the phone software specifically supports getting probed by the textalyzer device. At the very least, if the textalyzer is simply probing some logs that already exist on the device, it would be trivial for phone manufacturers to modify their software to break the textalyzer from working.
It seems to me that if we are going to go down this route, we would have to introduce law requiring phone manufacturers comply with a protocol that gives up their customers' actions. That would be outrageous and I don't think many in the tech world would stand for it.
It seems to me that if we are going to go down this route, we would have to introduce law requiring phone manufacturers comply with a protocol that gives up their customers' actions. That would be outrageous and I don't think many in the tech world would stand for it.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 7:24 pm to Antonio Moss
They can write whatever they want to. It's up to the governor or the courts to stop them.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 7:25 pm to efrad
If you think phone manufacturers aren't taking input from the CIA, then you're naive.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 7:26 pm to efrad
And if this software is actually utilized, the next week there would be a variety of apps that would scramble the time stamps on texts.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 7:29 pm to Kino74
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I can see at least one scenario causing an issue. Let's say a car has a driver and passenger. The passenger picks up drivers phone and answers or texts some one. The car for whatever reason gets pulled over and a cop uses that tool on drivers phone. If texting gets treated like dui or open container laws, then there will be some innocent people getting burned.
Yep.
Not just texting. Most phones have geolocation. If you need to use that, you would have your passenger watching it and navigating.
I took my niece to a birthday party once. Pulled over when I got close and called up Google Maps, then handed the phone to her in the back seat. She thought it was cool. The blue dot was us and she could watch us moving. The red dot was the party.
So my phone was active while I was driving, but I wasn't using it.
I also have an autoreply for when I get a text while the phone is moving faster than 15 mph. I never touch the phone but it receives and sends a text.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 7:30 pm to AggieDub14
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If you think phone manufacturers aren't taking input from the CIA, then you're naive.
As someone certified in cybersecurity, I'd say the CIA doesn't need to give input to the phone manufacturers. They have a massive budget to research and hoard vulnerabilities themselves.
Even if the CIA had input to the phone manufacturers, the CIA also doesn't want those vulnerabilities to be known to police at the local level. That would give away their vulnerabilities if they were used on that wide of a scale. The CIA works under secrecy from the rest of the government.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 7:35 pm to AggieDub14
With all the texting while driving going on im all for it. Twice this month I've had someone drift over in my lane because they weren't paying attention.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 7:39 pm to TimeOutdoors
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Twice this month I've had someone drift over in my lane because they weren't paying attention.
Oh, well, frick the Constitution then.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 7:49 pm to TimeOutdoors
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Twice this month I've had someone drift over in my lane because they weren't paying attention.
I'd rather have to honk my horn twice than to bend over for our out of control govt.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 8:00 pm to Bestbank Tiger
State and federal courts are loaded with authoritarian judges who are themselves former cops or prosecutors. The 4th Amendment no longer exists, as the exceptions now swallow the rule.
I always laugh when I read court opinions that use language such as "ever evolving police needs and concerns" or "we must weigh the the rights violated with society's right to feel safe."
The Founders didn't have to take into account law enforcement's desires and they didn't have to weigh anything when drafting the 4th Amendment and passing the Bill of Rights.
The American judiciary is a bigger threat to individual liberty than either other branch of government in this country.
I always laugh when I read court opinions that use language such as "ever evolving police needs and concerns" or "we must weigh the the rights violated with society's right to feel safe."
The Founders didn't have to take into account law enforcement's desires and they didn't have to weigh anything when drafting the 4th Amendment and passing the Bill of Rights.
The American judiciary is a bigger threat to individual liberty than either other branch of government in this country.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 8:01 pm to Tiguar
I have front and rear high-def dash cameras in my trucks. No law will stop the drooling morons from fricking with their phones while driving.
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