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re: The Textalyzer - New Tool to Infringe on our Civil Liberties
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:15 pm to efrad
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:15 pm to efrad
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thoughtcrimes
What's a thought crime?
What I want is people to be prosecuted for breaking the law, regardless of whether it's speeding, driving impaired, driving without a seatbelt, texting, no insurance, etc.
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Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:18 pm to TimeOutdoors
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thoughtcrimes
What's a thought crime?
What I want is people to be prosecuted for breaking the law, regardless of whether it's speeding, driving impaired, driving without a seatbelt, texting, no insurance, etc.
Maybe we should just let cops randomly search peoples homes, computers and offices to make sure no one is breaking laws. How about 24 hour cams on everyone?
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
What does searching homes have to do with texting and driving? How is that making the roadway safer?
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:22 pm to TimeOutdoors
You are without a doubt in favor of an authoritarian government.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:22 pm to TimeOutdoors
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What does searching homes have to do with texting and driving? How is that making the roadway safer?
What does searching your phone have to do with making roadways safer?
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:23 pm to TimeOutdoors
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So you want to wait till after an accident has happened?
Absolutely.
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I'd prefer to catch it before an accident happens.
I've noticed. I doubt you'd stop there, either.
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I guess you want sobriety test to only be allowed after accidents as well?
Not even close to the same thing. Sobriety tests are done because an officer can't put a drunk driver back on the road, or at least that's what is sold.
I also notice that you didn't even bother addressing my second point, so I accept your concession on that.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:23 pm to TimeOutdoors
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What's a thought crime?
No wonder you're totally down with giving the government unlimited power. You've never read George Orwell's 1984.
Thoughtcrimes are illegal thinking. It's how you stop people from committing crimes before they actually do. Just make thinking certain things illegal.
Since you believe the government should have unlimited power to go after people who might cause a problem, it seems you would be down for prosecuting thoughtcrimes.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:24 pm to TimeOutdoors
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What I want is people to be prosecuted for breaking the law, regardless of whether it's speeding, driving impaired, driving without a seatbelt, texting, no insurance, etc.
This device is in no way required for any example I've seen you give. Give me one that you think can only be accomplished with this device.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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What does searching your phone have to do with making roadways safer?
Not searching, just simply being able to see if the driver was texting and driving. Same as being able to do sobriety test to see if someone is driving impaired.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:25 pm to TimeOutdoors
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Never needed porn. Just tired of people needlessly getting killed because people can't drive responsible.
You're assuming they are texting. You want violation of 4th amendment due process because of a hunch. What other constitutional rights are you willing to give up?
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:27 pm to MrLarson
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You are without a doubt in favor of an authoritarian government.
Not at all. Im just a simple guy that follows the law and believes that people that risk my life by driving distracted should be prosecuted.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:29 pm to TimeOutdoors
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Not searching, just simply being able to see if the driver was texting and driving. Same as being able to do sobriety test to see if someone is driving impaired.
Sobriety tests are to remove drunk drivers. It theoretically keeps drunk people off the road. This texting analysis really proves nothing and the best you could do is bust someone for behavior that already occurred.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:29 pm to AggieDub14
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But the video claims lawmakers in some states are liking the idea [of having access to all personal data of certain individuals that "may" have been texting and driving].
^ IMO
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:31 pm to TimeOutdoors
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Not searching, just simply being able to see if the driver was texting and driving. Same as being able to do sobriety test to see if someone is driving impaired.
But they're not at all the same thing.
A breathalyzer just checks if the person who was behind the wheel when pulled over has a BAC over the threshold. Either the person was behind the wheel or they weren't, and either the BAC is over the threshold or it isn't.
This device is capable of doing so much more, and it needs to run certain analytics on your phone that requires the device to go through your shite. The cop needs to see what apps were being used, go through your shite, etc. and determine if they were legitimately used.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:34 pm to efrad
How many here use Android Auto or something similar? Ever had your passenger send a text for you? The next step is making you prove you did either in court. Hard pass.
Another consideration is how intrusive does this need to be to even prove the phone is yours? The answer is very. Much more than we should ever tolerate for a basic traffic stop.
Another consideration is how intrusive does this need to be to even prove the phone is yours? The answer is very. Much more than we should ever tolerate for a basic traffic stop.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:35 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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This device is in no way required for any example I've seen you give. Give me one that you think can only be accomplished with this device.
The example is simple, for texting and driving. In this state troopers have not given a single texting and driving ticket because its legal to enter info into a gps or dial a number while driving. Therefore the cops dont even bother to pull someone over because they cant prove they were texting. With this device you can.
Say someone is swerving but with tinted windows you cant tell they are texting. You pull them over but you can tell they arent impaired. You expect they were texting, but you cant prove it without a device like this.
You asked about the hands free device, I dont know anywhere they are illegal. I'd fully expect this device to be able to tell the difference.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:37 pm to TimeOutdoors
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Say someone is swerving
Are you saying they can't be cited for this?
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I'd fully expect this device to be able to tell the difference.
Right, because you don't know how it works. It won't tell the difference with a lot of the software used. Certainly not without getting even further into your business.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:41 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Nor do you know how it works. Maybe when you lose a wife or a child to a distracted driver your view will change.
Guess we will just have to disagree on this. You go on supporting drunken drivers and thinking its ok to text and drive and I will go on taking up for the innocent people that want to know they are as safe as possible on our highways.
Guess we will just have to disagree on this. You go on supporting drunken drivers and thinking its ok to text and drive and I will go on taking up for the innocent people that want to know they are as safe as possible on our highways.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:44 pm to TimeOutdoors
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I'd fully expect this device to be able to tell the difference.
It's clear you have no idea how any of this works. You just think someone's invented a magic box that you can point at the car and it'll tell you if the driver did something wrong or not.
Posted on 6/24/17 at 10:45 pm to TimeOutdoors
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I will go on taking up for the innocent people that want to know they are as safe as possible on our highways.
Where is your outrage for vehicles manufactured for being able to go over the speed limit?
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