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re: The Right Didn’t Mind When Bush Paid a Ransom to Terrorists
Posted on 6/12/14 at 12:40 am to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 6/12/14 at 12:40 am to Big Scrub TX
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Obama has evidently negotiated with terrorists.
Eh, I mean I'd use the word negotiate a little loosely here. It seems to have been less a negotiation and more we just gave them what they wanted.
But the "Bush did it too" defense needs to die in a goddamn fire. Obama was elected precisely because "he wasn't Bush". And he has been, in some cases precisely, and in cases a worse, version of Bush.
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Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:07 am to Big Scrub TX
If it brings you solace to compare one failure to another to justify the present failure then by all means, knock yourself out.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:08 am to Big Scrub TX
With a name like Scrub I don't know how much attention I would call to other people's name's in here.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:23 am to AUin02
There are 10 "Obama is the worst" threads to every one "Bush did it too" threads. And if someone is going to make the statement "Obama is the worst (fill in the blank), he has to expect comparisons. History didn't start in 2009.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:29 am to bencoleman
Keep using George Bush as the measuring stick. That's fine with me.
Bush's approval rating was something like 28% when he left office. If the media wasn't covering for him, the big-eared baboon occupying the White House now would have a lower rating than that.
Will people ever stop using Bush to deflect from Obama's failures? He's been the POTUS for almost 6 years now.
Bush's approval rating was something like 28% when he left office. If the media wasn't covering for him, the big-eared baboon occupying the White House now would have a lower rating than that.
Will people ever stop using Bush to deflect from Obama's failures? He's been the POTUS for almost 6 years now.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:34 am to Big Scrub TX
We call these guys terrorists but in actuality they were members of the Afghan government we overthrew. While it's true the Taliban was the worst of the worst in terms of repressive murdering governments, they were not the type of loosely affiliated terrorist we think of. And we had them in prison for 12 years.
If we had proof of their "terrorist" actions, why hasn't either the Bush or Obama administrations attempted to prosecute them?
Libertarians on this board love to claim how they've come to Jesus and she'd their neocon Bush-frickup years but when faced with anything to do with the "War on Tara" they revert right back to this Cheney/Rummy mindset.
If we had proof of their "terrorist" actions, why hasn't either the Bush or Obama administrations attempted to prosecute them?
Libertarians on this board love to claim how they've come to Jesus and she'd their neocon Bush-frickup years but when faced with anything to do with the "War on Tara" they revert right back to this Cheney/Rummy mindset.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:39 am to KCT
Big eared baboon? Do you actually believe anyone short of SEC Crazy mentality will take you serious with this crap? Because the media and average Americans don't refer to the president the way you do nor believe everything that happens is a conspiracy or the he's intent on destroying America or that he wants to take your guns away and drone your arse, does not mean the former is in the tank for him and the latter are sheeple. It means their IQ is above room temperature.
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Posted on 6/12/14 at 6:28 am to Big Scrub TX
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Again, which of the facts are you disputing?
quote:The generic statement "Republicans are howling (with no proof) that Obama paid a ransom for Bowe Bergdahl’s freedom," is patently false. Its inherent dishonesty is not a matter of dispute. Not debatable.
Republicans are howling (with no proof) that Obama paid a ransom for Bowe Bergdahl’s freedom.
Unless the term is meant to describe a handful of individuals out of millions, it is totally completely audaciously false. There is no "dispute" about it.
It is a hackish article, by a hackish author, included in a hackish publication.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 6:38 am to mmcgrath
quote:
Attack the Bergdahl swap on other grounds.
That's what most people are doing. The OP is trying to pretend the central objection is negotiating with terrorists and not the release of five of the worst terrorists in the world.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 6:40 am to Big Scrub TX
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It doesn't. Just pointing out the flagrant, rank, disgusting hypocrisy involved with the right and all things Obama.
Sure as night follows day, when the left has nothing else to argue in their defense, they either scream racism or attack "hypocrisy".
It's really easy to not be a "hypocrite" when you have no standards to begin with.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 6:47 am to Vegas Bengal
quote:Yep that's way over the top.
Big eared baboon?
I'm afraid there is a seething visceral resentment of this Administration. Perhaps my view is skewed by associations in the healthcare industry, but dislike and distrust of the man is more heart-felt and pervasive than I think is realized.
Ironically a major component of that emotion is due to complicity of the Press in covering him. It is unfortunate, but even with appropriate coverage and criticism from this point forward, I don't see the situation as repairable.
It really is the stuff of an Ayn Rand novel.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 6:57 am to Bestbank Tiger
quote:
the release of five of the worst terrorists in the world.
But the First Female President of the US in waiting said that the 5 terrorists who were released are "not a threat to the United States".
Posted on 6/12/14 at 7:06 am to BobABooey
Now I am no expert. But wasn't be held by the haqqani network. Captured by Taliban and turned over. Appears to me that in 2012 they were listed as a terrorist group. 3 specific members were labelled as terrorists in 2012. And the group as a whole.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 7:22 am to Big Scrub TX
So what's your point? Bush wasn't a good President?
Okay I got it. How does that absolve the current administration for its shortcomings? To me the bigger issue is that when Obama is finished with this term we will have had 16 years of incompetence, unconstitutional, and at times downright unlawful leadership. That we may not be able to ever recover is the THE issue!
Okay I got it. How does that absolve the current administration for its shortcomings? To me the bigger issue is that when Obama is finished with this term we will have had 16 years of incompetence, unconstitutional, and at times downright unlawful leadership. That we may not be able to ever recover is the THE issue!
Posted on 6/12/14 at 7:26 am to mgdtiger
Why didn't Bush spend his time in office blaming 9/11 on Clinton for not killing Bin Laden when he had the chance?
Obama and his followers are in complete denial regarding how much of a failure this current Administration has been. I wish one liberal journalist would have the guts to speak up and acknowledge what a complete failure Obama has been.
Obama and his followers are in complete denial regarding how much of a failure this current Administration has been. I wish one liberal journalist would have the guts to speak up and acknowledge what a complete failure Obama has been.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 7:31 am to KCT
quote:The Republicans pretty much did... then blamed the 2008 economic collapse on Clinton as well.
Why didn't Bush spend his time in office blaming 9/11 on Clinton for not killing Bin Laden when he had the chance?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 7:33 am to Bestbank Tiger
quote:Did you catch any of the Hagel Hearing? The "negotiating with terrorists" line was a common thread from the Republicans.quote:That's what most people are doing. The OP is trying to pretend the central objection is negotiating with terrorists and not the release of five of the worst terrorists in the world.
Attack the Bergdahl swap on other grounds.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 7:33 am to mmcgrath
quote:
The Republicans pretty much did...
Well, for one, it's true. Clinton could have killed him numerous times and two, Bush never once got in front of a microphone and whined like a girl about how he inherited a terrorist problem.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 7:48 am to Big Scrub TX
One would think an intellectual like Obama wouldn't commit the same atrocious mistakes by Bush.
More evidence that Bush and Obama are exactly the same.
Well... At least Bush asked congress first, right?
I hope one day people here are intelligent enough to see right through their R's and D's on their voter registration cards.
Not looking so good...
More evidence that Bush and Obama are exactly the same.
Well... At least Bush asked congress first, right?
I hope one day people here are intelligent enough to see right through their R's and D's on their voter registration cards.
Not looking so good...
Posted on 6/12/14 at 7:50 am to Big Scrub TX
Pay some $$$
vs.
Release 5 operatives that the military likened to 4 star generals.
Yeah....that's definitely the same thing.
vs.
Release 5 operatives that the military likened to 4 star generals.
Yeah....that's definitely the same thing.
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