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Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:29 pm to Champagne
quote:
What about you good folks who don't particularly like me? Here's your chance to make me look foolish.
Make a move. You're a Daisy if you do.
The hell is this shite?
Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:31 pm to Champagne
Both parties are owned by corporations so in essence there is only one party.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:34 pm to Y.A. Tittle
It is a challenge, I suppose.
I'm inviting refutation. I dish it out often, so, I think it's fair to take it.
Of course, this doesn't apply to anybody so far in this thread.
AND it's mostly resident Progs who don't like me so my challenge probably falls on mostly deaf ears.
I'm inviting refutation. I dish it out often, so, I think it's fair to take it.
Of course, this doesn't apply to anybody so far in this thread.
AND it's mostly resident Progs who don't like me so my challenge probably falls on mostly deaf ears.
This post was edited on 10/12/17 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:37 pm to Champagne
Okay?
Good luck, I guess.
Good luck, I guess.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:38 pm to boogiewoogie1978
quote:
Both parties are owned by corporations so in essence there is only one party.
Seems that way sometimes.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:41 pm to Champagne
quote:Political parties do not exist.
The Republican Party does not exist. Here's why:
Nothing will ever change in this country until we realize this.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:43 pm to Champagne
quote:
I'm sorry, sir, but, if you hope to refute my argument, I'm afraid that you are going to have to spell it out for us instead of saying "It's all there! I can't help it if you're too stupid to see it!"
That IS a pretty good dodge, though, so I'll give you that.
I'm dodging nothing, sir. I'm trying to point out that there are a tremendous number of elected republicans in this country at present. Those elected representatives did not come by their position by simply pointing out that they weren't a democrat. That isn't how the republican party works, but is a much closer approximation of how the democrat party works.
The American people who voted these people into their positions heard, understood, accepted, and agreed with what was at the very least the stated plan and agenda of said elected official. The fact that republicans who do not hold to that stated plan and agenda continue to be elected, speaks much more to the idea that those electing them are not steadfast in their desire to actually implement those plans and achieve the stated agenda.
It's for this very reason that you are witnessing a concerted effort among actual conservatives to "primary" socialist democrat-lite candidates out of office, so that more of the plan can be implemented, and the agenda achieved.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:45 pm to Champagne
quote:Yes. You said this:
Excuse me, sir, but, do you have a responsive message to post?
quote:When this is ridiculous when the Republicans were the reason Obama and the Ds had so much difficulty pushing their agenda. It began immediately after the took over the house in 2010, and strengthen after they took over the senate as well in 2014. They may be terrible at pushing an R agenda, but to say they are also pushing a D agenda is just asinine.
It has no urge to advance any agenda, other than those agenda items supported by the Democratic Party
But clearly that's because it's not about policy, you've drawn your conclusions because it's all about:
quote:You may be able to argue that SOME of the republicans are obstructing this, like McCain and the healthcare bill, but you're not arguing that, you're arguing the party as a whole and ignoring the complexities of the issues put forth. And the only real major legislative policy to even base this off of is healthcare. If they do the same on taxes, then maybe you'll have a point.
such as freezing Trump's agenda and beating Trump in 2020
Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:46 pm to Champagne
In my lifetime the pattern seems to go like this:
1. A principled, committed candidate runs for GOP office and wins.
2. He immediately realizes that the No. 1 goal of all elected officials is to get reelected.
3. He gets enamored with the DC culture and getting good press (or at least a measure of non hatred).
4. He takes the path of least resistance. He becomes John McCain.
This does not happen with Democrats. They are leftist to begin with and then enter a DC culture of leftism with a leftist press. Everything about being a politician reinforces (instead of changes) their ideology.
1. A principled, committed candidate runs for GOP office and wins.
2. He immediately realizes that the No. 1 goal of all elected officials is to get reelected.
3. He gets enamored with the DC culture and getting good press (or at least a measure of non hatred).
4. He takes the path of least resistance. He becomes John McCain.
This does not happen with Democrats. They are leftist to begin with and then enter a DC culture of leftism with a leftist press. Everything about being a politician reinforces (instead of changes) their ideology.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:47 pm to boogiewoogie1978
quote:OK. So now all corporations, the represantives, etc. are all one monolithic group with the same goals and values? Then why didn't Obama get things through after the Rs started to take over congress? If they're all one group, then this should have been obvious before Trump, when they were all in power.
Both parties are owned by corporations so in essence there is only one party.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:49 pm to troyt37
quote:
I'm dodging nothing, sir. I'm trying to point out that there are a tremendous number of elected republicans in this country at present. Those elected representatives did not come by their position by simply pointing out that they weren't a democrat. That isn't how the republican party works, but is a much closer approximation of how the democrat party works. The American people who voted these people into their positions heard, understood, accepted, and agreed with what was at the very least the stated plan and agenda of said elected official. The fact that republicans who do not hold to that stated plan and agenda continue to be elected, speaks much more to the idea that those electing them are not steadfast in their desire to actually implement those plans and achieve the stated agenda. It's for this very reason that you are witnessing a concerted effort among actual conservatives to "primary" socialist democrat-lite candidates out of office, so that more of the plan can be implemented, and the agenda achieved.
I agree with all of this but I don't think it's directly responsive. It is all good information that makes me glad, though. AND I thank you for reminding me of it.
This post was edited on 10/12/17 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:52 pm to buckeye_vol
What agenda does the Republican Party right now have the "urge to advance"? Set aside my off hand comment about items the Dems support.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:54 pm to Zach
Zach. I agree with your whole post. It's quite accurate.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 4:02 pm to Champagne
quote:
Zach. I agree with your whole post. It's quite accurate.
My son and I thank you very kindly:
Posted on 10/12/17 at 4:08 pm to Zach
He's a handsome boy. Please invite me to his wedding.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 4:15 pm to Champagne
quote:Tax reform. It's the one issue that if handled correctly, the Ds can't find a real victim for their emotional appeals. Instead they have to argue that the victims are those who benefit LESS.
What agenda does the Republican Party right now have the "urge to advance"?
Posted on 10/12/17 at 5:28 pm to buckeye_vol
You have established that the GOP is not entirely devoted to enacting the Democratic Party's agenda. I guess I might be wrong about that for now. I was convinced that they were, but I will pause for reconsideration in light of your argument.
You have established that there MIGHT BE ONE agenda item that the GOP stands for and is fighting for: tax reform. We shall wait and see whether the GOP actually enacts tax reform.
Can you refute any of the rest of my argument?
You have established that there MIGHT BE ONE agenda item that the GOP stands for and is fighting for: tax reform. We shall wait and see whether the GOP actually enacts tax reform.
Can you refute any of the rest of my argument?
Posted on 10/12/17 at 5:55 pm to Champagne
By not passing tax bill, they do not offend the middle class.
By not repealing aca they dont offend seniors.
By not passing infrastructure bill they dont offend libertarians.
By doing nothing, they do aikido.
By not repealing aca they dont offend seniors.
By not passing infrastructure bill they dont offend libertarians.
By doing nothing, they do aikido.
This post was edited on 10/12/17 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 10/12/17 at 6:07 pm to Champagne
I think the Republican Party is the party of people with a lot of money. Rockefeller or Country Club Republicans if you will. There are not enough of them to win an election. Therefore they spout just enough conservative talk to win the coveted 51%. They do very little for conservative values other than talk. They do their best to protect their interests and even milk the taxpayer to further their interests.
This is why they hate Trump. He's not a true conservative, but he's not a part of their lying club.
This is why they hate Trump. He's not a true conservative, but he's not a part of their lying club.
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