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The Republican Party does not exist. Here's why:
Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:53 am
Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:53 am
I'm going to argue that The Republican Party does NOT EXIST. It is a Phantom. It is an Illusion.
Why would I argue such a thing? Because an actual political party has a desire and a plan to WIN in order to advance a substantive Agenda. The Republican Party has none of these things. It has neither a plan nor a desire to defeat the Democratic Party. It has no desire to craft and implement a plan to win. It has no urge to advance any agenda, other than those agenda items supported by the Democratic Party, such as freezing Trump's agenda and beating Trump in 2020.
That's why I argue that the Republican Party does not exist.
Counter-arguments?
Why would I argue such a thing? Because an actual political party has a desire and a plan to WIN in order to advance a substantive Agenda. The Republican Party has none of these things. It has neither a plan nor a desire to defeat the Democratic Party. It has no desire to craft and implement a plan to win. It has no urge to advance any agenda, other than those agenda items supported by the Democratic Party, such as freezing Trump's agenda and beating Trump in 2020.
That's why I argue that the Republican Party does not exist.
Counter-arguments?
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:57 am to Champagne
Its more complicated than that...
too many special interest paralyzing organization...that and comfortability...
weak leadership, no identity...
Need a complete overhaul
Conservative values have been watered...
it's still a winning ideology
too many special interest paralyzing organization...that and comfortability...
weak leadership, no identity...
Need a complete overhaul
Conservative values have been watered...
it's still a winning ideology
Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:58 am to ApexTiger
quote:
it's still a winning ideology
What is the "ideology" of the GOP, in your opinion?
And, if there is a substantive ideology, WHAT is the GOP doing to advance that ideology?
Don't mention Trump at all in any of your answers because the GOP hates Trump and wants him gone ASAP.
This post was edited on 10/12/17 at 11:02 am
Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:58 am to Champagne
Well they "exist" but as you stated are basically a paper tiger.
They just slowly play defense and give in to the other side.
They don't want to be called mean and are too chicken to fight back for what is right.
They just slowly play defense and give in to the other side.
They don't want to be called mean and are too chicken to fight back for what is right.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:01 am to Mr.Perfect
The GOP or the GOPe?
How much of the party money is ran through chamber of commerce? How much through Heritage Foundation?
How much of the party money is ran through chamber of commerce? How much through Heritage Foundation?
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:02 am to ScottFowler
The GOP as an entity. There is no official GOPe but we know what that is.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:03 am to Champagne
It's a fractured Party but so is the Democratic Party.
The ideologies of the Parties are so different from each other that the nature of their fracturedness is very different. Conservatives value individualism. Progressives value uniformity of thought, and feelings over pragmatism.
The ties that bind the Republicans are loose but not broken.
The ideologies of the Parties are so different from each other that the nature of their fracturedness is very different. Conservatives value individualism. Progressives value uniformity of thought, and feelings over pragmatism.
The ties that bind the Republicans are loose but not broken.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:04 am to Mr.Perfect
Yeah, that's my argument. It doesn't exist for any of the purposes that I listed -- the purposes/reasons that REAL political parties exist.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:05 am to Champagne
As Rush said, Trump's an outsider and the party doesn't like that fact, plain and simple.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:06 am to Jimbeaux
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The ideologies of the Parties are so different from each other that the nature of their fracturedness is very different. Conservatives value individualism.
Be careful. I used to believe that. However, the GOP is not conservative. Some might say that the GOP dislikes their conservative base. Sen Bob Corker and John McCain strike you as people who love real conservatives? John Boehner loves him some conservatism?
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:08 am to Champagne
A true conservative can't win.
Can you imagine someone winning by telling the American people that we are going to have to cut programs and raise taxes at the same time if we don't want to be completely in debt for the rest of eternity?
Can you imagine someone winning by telling the American people that we are going to have to cut programs and raise taxes at the same time if we don't want to be completely in debt for the rest of eternity?
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:10 am to Champagne
The democratic party doesn't exist either.
There is only one party. The DC Establishment party. Once elected to DC you are indoctrinated. Wake up.
There is only one party. The DC Establishment party. Once elected to DC you are indoctrinated. Wake up.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:11 am to Homesick Tiger
I appreciate all of the responses but instead of simply contradicting my Conclusion that the Republican Party does not exist, could we please refute the list of reasons why I reached that conclusion?
quote:
Because an actual political party has a desire and a plan to WIN in order to advance a substantive Agenda. The Republican Party has none of these things.
1) It has neither a plan nor a desire to defeat the Democratic Party.
2) It has no desire to craft and implement a plan to win.
3) It has no urge to advance any agenda, other than those agenda items supported by the Democratic Party, such as freezing Trump's agenda and beating Trump in 2020.
This post was edited on 10/12/17 at 11:13 am
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:13 am to Champagne
A) We need term limits now. The vast majority of americans support this and if these elected leaders represented us they would make this happen. They dont.
B). Corportations are not people, stop allowing them to fund campaigns. Give the power back to the people by taking away corps ability to fund politics creating a quid pro quo. Decrease amount of contributions per person.
C) Block all foreign money from politics. Absolutely absurd that foreign nations are allowed to buy our politicians and create interest that go against our own citizens.
B). Corportations are not people, stop allowing them to fund campaigns. Give the power back to the people by taking away corps ability to fund politics creating a quid pro quo. Decrease amount of contributions per person.
C) Block all foreign money from politics. Absolutely absurd that foreign nations are allowed to buy our politicians and create interest that go against our own citizens.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:16 am to Champagne
Duh...uniparty...
They just have to hold tight because their electorate like guns and stuff
They just have to hold tight because their electorate like guns and stuff
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:16 am to Champagne
quote:
could we please refute the list of reasons why I reached that conclusion?
Sure.
1. The Democratic party doesn't exist either. All politicians fight for their establishment way of life.
2. No matter which "party" candidate wins, the establishment party has already won. Go look at how much money lobbyist and special interests donate to both sides of every election. They buy the candidates before the results.
3) there is very much an agenda and they are very much advancing it.
I don't think we realize how lucky we are Hillary wasn't elected. And I also don't think the establishment will ever make that mistake again
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:16 am to Champagne
quote:
Counter-arguments?
You are a clueless moron who reduces a complex world down to easy-to-understand tropes so you feel like you have some grasp of it?
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:27 am to Champagne
quote:
Counter-arguments?
President -R
Senate - 52-46 R
House - 240-194 R
Governors - 34-15 R
State Houses - 32-12-6 R
Oh, they exist snowflake. And they are kicking the socialist democrat's arse.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:29 am to Champagne
quote:
The Republican Party does not exist
Sure it does.....a conservative party doesn't exist
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:34 am to BigJim
quote:
You are a clueless moron who reduces a complex world down to easy-to-understand tropes so you feel like you have some grasp of it?
That is conclusory. Please support your conclusion with some substantive arguments.
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