re: The removal of God from society

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Atheists attempt to convert more people than any religion

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Christians aren’t the ones forcing their beliefs on everyone

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"Forcing"? This NATION was FOUNDED on the Idea of God. "Inalienable Rights", from God. I assume that your Ideological basis seeks to "fundamentally change" said Founding and Nation. So, since argument won't settle this (per Sowell's First Principal argument), then we move to another mechanism. Read a history book to imagine what that 'mechanism' is.

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The downward spiral we are currently seeing is a long time in the making. It started when God was completely expelled from the public square. From schools, government, courthouses, and every single American institution.

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Government has no business pushing some version of God on us. If that’s what you want then move to Iran.

Your quote from Adams is a good one, and it is compatible with the constitution, which prevents the establishment of a state religion. Go to church for God, but don’t use MY money to promote YOUR version of God. And that is just what happens when government “puts God in the public square”.

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Our country was built to allow its citizens the ability to freely practice religion in their private lives, not to promote religion.

You stupid religious freaks put things mentioning God in everything like the Pledge and it has clearly gone straight to your heads. Keep your religious crap out of our government.

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Does the Constitution mention God?

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it was founded on religious freedom. freedom to believe in whatever you want.

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A belief in God was the underlining reason for why the founders believed we had inalienable rights that needed to be protected, which were what the Constitution/BOR was written to preserve.

Religious liberty was borne from the context of religious persecution that was prevalent when the first settlers came to America. Religious liberty was not acknowledged out of a hatred of religion but a love for it. It's why the founders didn't seek to remove religion from the public square but to protect it so that no one was forced to adhere to any particular religion or worship in any particular way (or at all).

This protection did not mean removal of religion from public life, but supported it, so long as it didn't move into the realm of forced adherence. The actions of the founders prove this point (public comments; public prayer; calls for national prayer and thanksgiving (to God); etc.), and it's why this modern interpretation of the 1st amendment as a protection from religion rather than a protection of religion is so wrong. The government can't force anyone to worship God or acknowledge Christ as King, but government, via representatives, can make public statements about faith that may not represent the religious beliefs of all people, at least that's what the founders did. Even claiming that using tax dollars for such declarations is not right isn't in alignment with what the founders did. We support things via taxes that go against religious beliefs of many people today.

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It started when God was completely expelled from the public square

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I would argue that Protestantism was the killing blow to God in society. The feudal religious arrangement made religion therefore God a centerpiece of society. The very calendar people lived by was layered with liturgy as much as astronomy or ecology. Protestantism turned faith inward by changing the relationship of God from a communal one to a personal one.

This isn't an endorsement of Catholicism necessarily but I don't think people give enough thought to how Protestant reaction to late feudal Catholicism gave answers that were pretty dangerous to Christianity maintaining a central role in society. I do not think it is much of a surprise that where Protestantism took hold first were some of the ideological birthplaces for classical liberalism. You can't have classical liberalism without first strongly asserting the place of the individual relative to society. Protestantism was the "thought technology" that allowed for that intellectual development.

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I would argue that Protestantism was the killing blow to God in society. The feudal religious arrangement made religion therefore God a centerpiece of society...This isn't an endorsement of Catholicism necessarily

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Missed the mark by quite a bit here, brutha. (and yes, it most certainly WAS a ringing endorsement of RCC -- as well as a extremely false damning critique of Protestantism). Luther and Protestantism actually FREED people from the fascism and heretic claims of "Vicar of Christ" that were the Pope and Vatican respectively.

The "Birthplace of Liberalism" has always been Rome. The Vatican's own example demonstrates that "liberalism" is baked into Papal Roman Catholicism. It was this liberalism or subversion of the Gospel and doctrines of Jesus Christ in lieu of material profits, power, greed and hypocrisy that sent "society" careening off the rails centuries ago WHILE rejecting God. (same as today).

As to "Religion" -- it covered ALL the basic brands of belief or faith -- ironically, including both 'Satanism' and 'Atheism'.

One of the major "Name Brands" of 'Religion' is 'Christianity'. Judaism. Hinduism. Etc.

'Protestantism' and 'Catholicism' are two brands of 'Christianity'. One (Protestantism) is based on Biblical doctrines; the other (Catholicism) at best is partially bible-based -- and at worst, anti-Biblical, ergo heretic

Protest-antism REJECTED or "protested" Papal Rome's claim to Divine authority. It rejects the notion that ANY one man speaks exclusively, on behalf OF "Jesus Christ". [/i]Protestantism also rejects Pope's opinions as "infallible" AND claim that a Pope's word WAS THE SAME AS GOD. (Big LIE.)

Protestantism also REJECTED Papal Rome's doctrine of 'Indulgences' (SALE of heavenly assurance) as prone to corruption. Which is clearly the case.

Research the history and truth yourself...

THE origin of any notion of "killing God in society" (not to mention negligence, deception, and discouragement -- even thru modern times) fits squarely on the head of RCC -- led by centuries of corrupt, immoral Popes at the Vatican (a commercial enterprise in every sense of the word).

Had the Vatican truly were a "Vicar of Christ", the Gospel and morality of Jesus Christ would have been prioritized AND SPREAD. (Instead, it focused on selling Indulgences, influence-peddling (of Heavenly clout); its material interests in Real Estate holdings, art, currency, politics; and shamefully sharing its "House" with Pagan "religions").

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You can't have classical liberalism without first strongly asserting the place of the individual relative to society. Protestantism was the "thought technology" that allowed for that intellectual development.

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HUH??

If you want to single out specific brands of "Protestantism" or "Christianity", I might agree with you.

But again -- overall, Luther and Protestantism actually FREED people spiritually, bodily, mentally and socially from Papal bondage and coercion that NEVER really focused on The Mission -- spreading the Gospel. Instead the Vatican main mission has always been on consolidating its own power & wealth. This while teaching un-biblical doctrines. FACT: Unauthorized Possession of a Bible was a death sentence. Protestants LED that crusade to put Bibles in the hands of the people.

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Does the Constitution mention God?

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"Providence"? "Creator"? How much do you want?