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re: The Myths of Reaganomics
Posted on 5/24/14 at 8:27 am to joshnorris14
Posted on 5/24/14 at 8:27 am to joshnorris14
quote:No, no.
Did you enjoy 9/11? Thank Reagan.
If we're going to get silly, let's thank Madison and Jefferson. That is where American blame for 9/11 ultimately must reside.
After all, blame certainly cannot reside with Islam and extremists.
By all means, Americans must be to blame.
TR might be another good blamee.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 8:27 am to joshnorris14
quote:
Reagan KNEW the USSR was overextending, but chose to engage them in an arms race and combat them in Afganistan anyways. Did you enjoy 9/11? Thank Reagan.
You don't know that the USSR wouldn't still be plodding along without Reagan's push. No one on the Left thought that they weren't a permanent fixture. You don't know if we'd have further assisted them in an effort to maintain detente after Reagan. Both sides of the aisle were in support of that precarious balance…except for Reagan who believed MAD was an immoral shadow to hang over the heads of the people.
Your powers of hindsight are simply astounding though. Please, elaborate further from your comfortable dorm about what else your powers indicate he should have done.
This post was edited on 5/24/14 at 8:29 am
Posted on 5/24/14 at 8:47 am to NC_Tigah
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After all, blame certainly cannot reside with Islam and extremists.
You're ridiculous, a religion isn't an acting entity. The extremists that were directly responsible for 9/11 were Reagan's freedom fighters.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 8:47 am to rmcc316
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and a return to the gold standard
i didn't know that he called for this in his campaign, although i wasn't around back then.
at any rate, glad that part didn't work out.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 8:47 am to Jake88
tards and Reagan - hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha
80's outlook > current one , i.e. frick you
kind of like when tards want to knock Texas
net migration going which way? frick you
80's outlook > current one , i.e. frick you
kind of like when tards want to knock Texas
net migration going which way? frick you
Posted on 5/24/14 at 8:48 am to Jake88
quote:
No one on the Left thought that they weren't a permanent fixture.
The left doesn't really know anything so I don't see the usefulness in this comment.
quote:
You don't know that the USSR wouldn't still be plodding along without Reagan's push
Yes, it wasn't that hard to see.
And he shouldn't have done anything, especially plunge me into debt before I was born.
This post was edited on 5/24/14 at 8:49 am
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:12 am to joshnorris14
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The left doesn't really know anything so I don't see the usefulness in this comment.
During the 1970's the left was willing to let the Soviets overtake us in military might with little to no response. They also wanted to maintain detante by feeding the USSR thereby relieving some of the economic pressure on them. Had that continued or even expanded(because we were afraid of their missiles) you cannot say with any certainty that the Soviets wouldn't have moved along until some unforeseen favorable condition allowed them to regain a stronger footing. It's happened in China but fortunately they weren't our enemy in the way the Soviets were.
Additionally, Reagan did not govern in a vacuum and had to deal with people on the left who wanted to maintain the status quo Cold War.
quote:
Yes, it wasn't that hard to see.
And he shouldn't have done anything, especially plunge me into debt before I was born.
I suspect you're too young to remember those days so your knowledge comes from a few isolated voices, one which was Reagan's, but few people actually believed they would fall at any time in that near future. Again, you benefit from hindsight. Reagan was labeled a buffoon because he suggested during the 1970's they could be toppled. Everyone, including his fellow republicans and the Soviets themselves thought he was unhinged.
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And he shouldn't have done anything, especially plunge me into debt before I was born.
We won a war without firing a shot and yet you complain. Again you have no real appreciation for the threat posed by even a failing USSR because you've had the luxury of growing up without it. Wars cost money and that victory was well worth it.
It has been over 25 years. The costs of the victory in the Cold War are but a small percentage of "your debt."
I understand all of this will fall on deaf ears as you've taken up a position of a know-it-all who rebels against and hates all viable political candidates in favor of a few purists who will never get elected, never see their purist goals implemented and therefore never have the opportunity to be criticized based on the actual side effects of their policies. So long as no one actually implements your unworkable purist ideology, you remain beyond reproach in the dark little corner from which you cast stones.
This post was edited on 5/24/14 at 9:19 am
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:15 am to joshnorris14
quote:
The extremists that were directly responsible for 9/11 were Reagan's freedom fighters.
The Taliban were not the only Afghans fighting the Soviets.
LINK
The US' mistake was withdrawing after the Soviets were defeated, leaving the Taliban free to destroy its domestic rivals.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:15 am to joshnorris14
quote:
HE defeated the USSR should be laughed at
Only you shoud be laughed at. His policies were certainly a major blow towards the destruction of the Soviet Union (along with Margret Thatcher) along with stemming the tide of communism...which had mAde major inroads throughout the world in the 70's.
You really think you get the same results with the Soviet Union had Carter been elected in 80?and Mondale in 84? FreakiN delusional if you answer yes.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:21 am to joshnorris14
quote:Congress did that Josh.
And he shouldn't have done anything, especially plunge me into debt before I was born.
Just as Jimmah Cahtah initiated Operation Cyclone.
Your Reagan blame is pathological.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:39 am to Jake88
Boom!!! Game, set, match Jake88.
The arrogance of those on the left is shocking. Here you have a guy that wasn't even alive during most of Reagan's presidency speaking as if he's an expert on the delicate and complicated relationship we had with the Soviets at the time. That would be like me (a conservative born in 1974) browbeating and criticizing LBJ for his signing of civil rights legislation because there are still racial issues in America or criticizing him for his build up of troops in Vietnam. Nevermind that I wasn't around for either of those events and have zero perspective of what the social and political climate was like at the time. I guess I could be an arrogant know it all douche like some of the young liberals on this board and pretend that I do know everything.
The bottom line is that Reagan has easily been the best president since Ike in the 50s. JFK was on his way to a nice one before he was assassinated.
The arrogance of those on the left is shocking. Here you have a guy that wasn't even alive during most of Reagan's presidency speaking as if he's an expert on the delicate and complicated relationship we had with the Soviets at the time. That would be like me (a conservative born in 1974) browbeating and criticizing LBJ for his signing of civil rights legislation because there are still racial issues in America or criticizing him for his build up of troops in Vietnam. Nevermind that I wasn't around for either of those events and have zero perspective of what the social and political climate was like at the time. I guess I could be an arrogant know it all douche like some of the young liberals on this board and pretend that I do know everything.
The bottom line is that Reagan has easily been the best president since Ike in the 50s. JFK was on his way to a nice one before he was assassinated.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:39 am to MMauler
BS.
Reaganomics was fully implemented, it was a disaster, and even Reagan realized it had to be tapered back.
Reaganomics was fully implemented, it was a disaster, and even Reagan realized it had to be tapered back.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:57 am to Jake88
Add to Reagan's list of accomplishments the staging of Pershing II Missiles in Europe, against a very determined opposition, financed and abetted by the USSR/Communist Parties in both Eastern and Western Europe.
Besides Thatcher and Pope JPII, Helmut Kohl deserves credit.
Besides Thatcher and Pope JPII, Helmut Kohl deserves credit.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 2:12 am to redandright
Reagan's only lasting cluster frick was the drug war.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 10:00 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Nah, his worst mistake was granting amnesty for illegals...he later admitted it was the "worst mistake of his presidency"
Every President had a "war on drugs" in some form starting with Nixon.
South Florida had turned into the wild west in the early 80's.Miami quickly became the murder capitol of the country.
There was immense pressure on the Feds to clean up what was going on from BOTH sides of the aisle.
Every President had a "war on drugs" in some form starting with Nixon.
South Florida had turned into the wild west in the early 80's.Miami quickly became the murder capitol of the country.
There was immense pressure on the Feds to clean up what was going on from BOTH sides of the aisle.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 10:42 am to SmackoverHawg
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Posted by SmackoverHawg Obama brags about bullshite stuff he had no hand in. Meanwhile, Reagan brought down the GD'd Berlin Wall, got the Iranian hostages released just by taking the oath of office, collapsed the Soviet mfing union, oversaw the space shuttle program, star wars, brought economy out of shitter and made us the premier economic power in the world as well as military, got fricking shot and walked into the gotdamned hospital, cut firewood, shut up ghadaffi's (sp.? frick him) for 30 years, wore mfing boots and a cowboy hat, asked clint eastwood to be vice president. I mean...shite!!! How much more 'murica can you get?
I mean to say his economic policy is a myth is beyond anyone who lived in the 70's and saw the transition once he became president. He was probably the last true leader we had.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 11:35 am to ironsides
Sad to see the effects of brainwashing in our schools the last 30 years.
Critical thinking skills are obviously not being developed or encouraged in high school or college.
LC
Critical thinking skills are obviously not being developed or encouraged in high school or college.
LC
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