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re: The Climate Melters Are Not Paying Attention
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:55 am to cave canem
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:55 am to cave canem
We all know that government likes to grow government. This accord, had Hillary won, would have gone down like this IMO:
I will assume the US is to stick by what the accord says.
Current agencies would have grown in scope to enforce the domestic goals of the accord. It's possible new agencies maight have been formed for further regulation.
This wouldnt' have had to be ratified by Congress, and we as a country would still be facing the hardships from an international agreement.
I'm quite glad we are not apart of the accord.
I will assume the US is to stick by what the accord says.
Current agencies would have grown in scope to enforce the domestic goals of the accord. It's possible new agencies maight have been formed for further regulation.
This wouldnt' have had to be ratified by Congress, and we as a country would still be facing the hardships from an international agreement.
I'm quite glad we are not apart of the accord.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:58 am to TxTiger82
Sounds like more stamping of feet.
Love being held hostage over a non binding agreement.
Sweet.
If they are willing to forgo our relationship over a non binding agreement then both parties have some soul searching to do.
Love being held hostage over a non binding agreement.
Sweet.
If they are willing to forgo our relationship over a non binding agreement then both parties have some soul searching to do.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:22 am to Douboy
Because no one else involved is willing to negotiate with us. You do understand it takes more Than one willing party to enter into negotiations.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:24 am to UHTiger
quote:
Because no one else involved is willing to negotiate with us.
So nobody will want to negotiate with the folks that were bank rolling the whole operation? That sounds retarded at best.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:29 am to Douboy
quote:what was disadvantageous about the non-binding pledge we pulled out of?
Why is that a problem?
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:30 am to Machine
quote:
what was disadvantageous about the non-binding pledge we pulled out of?
Is that sarcasm? If not, you obviously are not paying attention what so ever. If it is, have an up vote.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:31 am to UHTiger
quote:
Because no one else involved is willing to negotiate with us.
Meh. They be back at the table when all the bills come due as usual.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:32 am to Douboy
quote:i'll take your lack of any substance whatsoever to mean "absolutely nothing since we didn't even have to do anything."
Is that sarcasm? If not, you obviously are not paying attention what so ever. If it is, have an up vote.
i know symbolism is lost on some of you troglodytes but this doesn't look good on us. at all.
This post was edited on 6/2/17 at 10:33 am
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:33 am to Machine
You'd prefer to the symbolism of the US buying it's friends?
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:34 am to Machine
quote:
i know symbolism is lost on some of you troglodytes but this doesn't look good on us. at all.
So you are suggesting that we should have stayed in while not actively participating (because it was non binding) just so we can look good to the cool kids?
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:35 am to Douboy
quote:sure. if that's how you need to have it simplified for it to make sense to you, that's fine.
So you are suggesting that we should have stayed in while not actively participating (because it was non binding) just so we can look good to the cool kids?
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:56 am to Douboy
Lots of folks mad we won't be paying China and India trillions of dollars to increase their pollution output for the next 50 years
This post was edited on 6/2/17 at 11:00 am
Posted on 6/2/17 at 11:01 am to Machine
quote:and you suppose it would not have been widely reported that the us was not paying their contributions?
sure. if that's how you need to have it simplified for it to make sense to you, that's fine.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 11:02 am to Salmon
quote:
If Trump really wanted to negotiate, he could have stayed in and negotiated while at the table.
France and Germany released a statement yesterday saying that the deal could not be renegotiated. Maybe Trump was already told that last week at the G7? Also, some of the common sense request like determining baselines would blow the deal up. Remember, this deal wasn't a slam dunk let's make a deal party. It barely got across the finish line and only because Obama and the EU were willing to accept just about anything just to get a deal.
As a libertarian, I'm probably about as far to the left on environmental issues as you can get and still consider yourself a libertarian. I would love to see the world do more to protect the environment. I'm more concerned about what we are doing to the oceans via illegal dumping and plastics accumulation. There are near term real world environmental gains that could be made that would improve the quality of life for people now. Countries for whatever reasons are ignoring these issues. Instead of facing up to these real and pressing issues, the climate change movement is chasing a unicorn.
Most countries have no reliable means to even track GHG emissions. How do you reduce something you can't even track? Use the $100 billion annually? How many countries would actually even meet their financial obligations? Even if the funds are raised, how much is lost to corruption when handed out to these different countries?
The deal is bad and won't accomplish anything for the environment. The whole climate change movement is putting the cart before the horse. Most countries in the world can't protect the environment from the pollution that is generated daily but are going to save the world from GHG? To paraphrase Denis Leary, "Before worrying about saving the world from GHG, worry about saving your hair"
Posted on 6/2/17 at 11:07 am to narddogg81
quote:you mean people were going to say words about us?
and you suppose it would not have been widely reported that the us was not paying their contributions?
those bastards
Posted on 6/2/17 at 11:56 am to Machine
quote:you mean like they are now? What's the difference? Oh no, we are now no longer the leader of giving handouts to our economic and often political enemies so they can 'pollute' more while we damage our own economy trying to make up for it?
you mean people were going to say words about us?
those bastards
This post was edited on 6/2/17 at 11:57 am
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